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steur said:

Something else entirely. I don't care much for boaters I'll freely admit, but this one I needed to own.
Borsalino boater. Size 56 with the brim at 5cm and the crown at 9cm. Excellent condition. The owner was born in 1896 and it was sold to me by his daughter. Hard to tell the age. Borsalino didn't make boaters themselves of course, so this was sourced. First time I've seen a Borsalino boater though.

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steur said:

Something else entirely. I don't care much for boaters I'll freely admit, but this one I needed to own.
Borsalino boater. Size 56 with the brim at 5cm and the crown at 9cm. Excellent condition. The owner was born in 1896 and it was sold to me by his daughter. Hard to tell the age. Borsalino didn't make boaters themselves of course, so this was sourced. First time I've seen a Borsalino boater though.

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steur said:

Well, I'll add my 2 cents. First of all: it's a nice looking hat, Joe, so a good catch. I have been wondering about the G.A. Dunn and Dunn&Co sweatbands and liners and I agree mostly with Matt, that the different names don't conclusively tell us something about the age of the hat. I do think though that the G.A. Dunn was more prevalent in the pre-war years for sure and gradually the Dunn&Co took over. The reason for this is that Dunn&Co didn't make hats themselves, but sourced them from various manufacturers from Stockport (like T&W Lees) and Denton. A likely explanation for the different names being used in the same decade is that the hats came from different manufacturers. Some may have had stock of the older sweatbands and liners and some already worked with the newer ones.
The liner and sweatband on this hat both suggest an earlier hat. The later ones have a far more simple liner design. I'm leaning towards forties. The idea that this was once a different hat and most likely a homburg seems plausible to me. The crudeness of the brim edge is not like Dunn at all: their hats are always well finished.

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steur said:

Well, I'll add my 2 cents. First of all: it's a nice looking hat, Joe, so a good catch. I have been wondering about the G.A. Dunn and Dunn&Co sweatbands and liners and I agree mostly with Matt, that the different names don't conclusively tell us something about the age of the hat. I do think though that the G.A. Dunn was more prevalent in the pre-war years for sure and gradually the Dunn&Co took over. The reason for this is that Dunn&Co didn't make hats themselves, but sourced them from various manufacturers from Stockport (like T&W Lees) and Denton. A likely explanation for the different names being used in the same decade is that the hats came from different manufacturers. Some may have had stock of the older sweatbands and liners and some already worked with the newer ones.
The liner and sweatband on this hat both suggest an earlier hat. The later ones have a far more simple liner design. I'm leaning towards forties. The idea that this was once a different hat and most likely a homburg seems plausible to me. The crudeness of the brim edge is not like Dunn at all: their hats are always

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DaveProc said:

New arrival from Bologna
Borsalino Qualita Extra Extra Superiore
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deadlyhandsome said:

An incredible find, Dave. Definitely deserves inclusion here:

https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/show-us-your-spiral-stitch-vintage-fedoras.59729/page-4

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Snowman said:

I spent some time tonight working on this Adam Executive Mr. Main Street.
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It was in good condition on arrival, but quite dirty. More than a good brushing was required. I’ll put more photos in the Adam Alley thread.

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Blare said:

Thank you Matt for the well wishes. Much appreciated

Probably similar to JC Penney and Co rebranding as Penney’s in the 50s All the big brands shortened their names over time for marketing purposes.

It makes sense that over time whoever was making the hats used different components like sweats and liners as rebranding took place.

when I saw the sellers photos I thought I could see the glare of a plastic liner cover which had me thinking 50s hat. However in hand I realized it was a sort of sticker that only covered directly over logo. Haven’t seen this really on any of my US made hats. Other than Sometimes a logo sticker on unlined hats.

The sweat is very soft supple and thin. Doesn’t feel like a 50s/60s sweat. The logos I don’t think look like the really old ones (20s or older). But again that was based on the stuff I saw in the threads.

So it kinda leaves me to think 30s to 40s. Kinda a wide window I know. and I may not even be in the ballpark

either way I really do like the hat.. but pre war would be very cool.

This brand is way outside my experience zone... so all I had to go by was those posts. Maybe someone with more experience in UK and European hats could provide more insight like @steur @PanosChris

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Blare said:

Thank you Matt for the well wishes. Much appreciated

Probably similar to JC Penney and Co rebranding as Penney’s in the 50s All the big brands shortened their names over time for marketing purposes.

It makes sense that over time whoever was making the hats used different components like sweats and liners as rebranding took place.

when I saw the sellers photos I thought I could see the glare of a plastic liner cover which had me thinking 50s hat. However in hand I realized it was a sort of sticker that only covered directly over logo. Haven’t seen this really on any of my US made hats. Other than Sometimes a logo sticker on unlined hats.

The sweat is very soft supple and thin. Doesn’t feel like a 50s/60s sweat. The logos I don’t think look like the really old ones (20s or older). But again that was based on the stuff I saw in the threads.

So it kinda leaves me to think 30s to 40s. Kinda a wide window I know. and I may not even be in the ballpark

either way I really do like the hat.. but pre war would be very cool.

This brand is way outside my experience zone... so all I had to go by was those posts. Maybe someone with more experience in UK and European hats could provide more insight like @steur @PanosChris

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bowlerman said:

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bowlerman said:

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deadlyhandsome said:

Good looking Knox, Jeff. Until I came to the inside photo I was sure it was vintage.

I’ve had a couple modern Stetsons with that same sweatband issue. Every time I wore them I’d have flakes of the surface of the sweatband in my hair and on my forehead. I sold one of them and had the sweatband replaced on the other.

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belfastboy said:

I love the rumpled nature of the Shark's Gill ribbon work....it has a wonderful lived in, insouciance about it.....not the perfectly put together look of a new custom gill. It appeals to my rumpled nature.

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steur said:

Something else entirely. I don't care much for boaters I'll freely admit, but this one I needed to own.
Borsalino boater. Size 56 with the brim at 5cm and the crown at 9cm. Excellent condition. The owner was born in 1896 and it was sold to me by his daughter. Hard to tell the age. Borsalino didn't make boaters themselves of course, so this was sourced. First time I've seen a Borsalino boater though.

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Frunobulax said:

Excellent find. Should go in Max's Unusual Hat thread.

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Frunobulax said:

Excellent find. Should go in Max's Unusual Hat thread.

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Blare said:

Really nice ribbon treatment on that boater

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