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Fifty150 · Aug 22, 2021

There's a lot that we don't know. We are reading a news story. Not reading a police report. We have no idea what the condition of the bodies were, and what positions they were in. Lab work from the coroner would shed more light. Or witnesses and their testimony. You never assume anything with a mystery like this. You just look for evidence, and follow where it may lead. Was there a love triangle? Did they have financial difficulties? Did they have any enemies?

I recall a case where investigators were summoned for a death bed confession. A woman confessed to killing her husband - over 50 years prior. Her husband's death was ruled an accident. He went for a hike, and when he didn't return home, the wife reported her husband missing. A search was conducted. They found the body. Investigators closed the case as it appears that he slipped, and fell several hundred feet. As he tumbled down the side of a cliff, his body was met with hard rocks, tree trunks, et cetera. Signs of trauma all consistent with falling hundreds of feet down the side of a cliff. He was well liked, stable at work, finances were in order, and nobody could link him to anything unusual. He didn't even have life insurance, and the widow had to pay out of pocket for an unplanned funeral. Over 50 years later, the widow confesses that she was hiking with him, struck his head from behind with a rock, and pushed him off the cliff. Her motive? She just didn't want to be married to him anymore. She felt trapped in the life of being a wife. She had to get out. Divorce wasn't an option......because they were Catholic. What part of her religion made murder okay?

GHT · Aug 22, 2021

Fifty150 said:
Over 50 years later, the widow confesses that she was hiking with him, struck his head from behind with a rock, and pushed him off the cliff. Her motive? She just didn't want to be married to him anymore. She felt trapped in the life of being a wife. She had to get out. Divorce wasn't an option......because they were Catholic. What part of her religion made murder okay?

Catholicism and murder tend to go hand in hand. 96% of Venezuela is said to be catholic, yet it's ranked as the most dangerous country in the world for the second straight year according to a new Gallup survey, falling below conflict-torn nations including Afghanistan and South Sudan.

Tiki Tom · Aug 22, 2021

I agree. It is a mystery. So many possibly telling details that we do not yet have access to.

Woodtroll · Aug 22, 2021

Tiki Tom said:
I agree. It is a mystery. So many possibly telling details that we do not yet have access to.

Indeed, it is a mystery to us. I certainly never claimed lightning to be THE cause, just an idea based on the limited evidence we were given (in the mountains, no marks of trauma to the bodies, victims include a child and a dog). Those high, rocky mountains can produce static electricity and lightning sometimes even "out of a clear blue sky", although that is rare. I'm certain that at least some of the folks on the ground in formal search crews would have had experience in the mountains and would have had the same thoughts.

One other thing doesn't make sense to me - calling in hazmat crews "due to mines in the area", which may be producing "carbon monoxide"? Unless there are coal mines in the area, that theory seems unlikely, as carbon monoxide is typically a byproduct of combustion of fossil fuels. If there are coal seams in those mountains, then the idea is more plausible based on teh fact that a wildfire passed through the area some time ago. Coal seam fires burn underground for YEARS, as the folks here in the coal-producing areas of the Appalachians can attest. But again, folks on the response teams have experience in the area and knowledge we don't, and news reporters aren't always reliable with details.

I would hope that eventually they disclose the cause of death, and that someone here picks up on it and posts it. It's a shame an entire young family was wiped out, and a curiosity how it happened.

Tiki Tom · Aug 22, 2021

Still not able to identify the cause of the deaths.
No suicide note or anything to point in that direction.
The family was well-prepared for a day hike.
There was no cell phone connectivity where they were.
No other animals found dead in the vicinity.
A necropsy is being conducted on the dog.
Rattle snake bites mentioned as being another theory, although so far no bite marks found. Seems highly unlikely.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/08...nd-their-dog-on-a-hiking-trail-near-yosemite/

Tiki Tom · Aug 28, 2021

Update issued. Nothing new. (At least nothing new that jumped out at me.)

https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/hiking-family-found-dead-update/

BTW, if anyone is still interested in the CIA’s old Stargate Program that was discussed in this thread a few pages back: Here is a curious update. It is hard to know what to make of it. Nuts? Delusional? Would people pay that kind of money for something that is pure fiction? (I know, I know.) It does make me again wonder about Stargate… was it disbanded or, like AATIP, is it still out there, buried in some black budget?

https://www.kuer.org/health-science...cia-paranormal-program-finds-new-life-in-utah

Harp · Aug 28, 2021

Tiki Tom said:
It does make me again wonder about Stargate… was it disbanded or, like AATIP, is it still out there, buried in some black budget?

Stargate is a probable active station. Perhaps reduced due in part to publicity generated from inception
to active intelligence status, or shuffled downgrade further below radar; which, should have been done earlier.

As far as peripheral commercial application of remote viewing goes, if a buck is to be made, there are
those alumni valid or not who will cash in for whatever its worth. Grassy knollers and other kit and kaboodlers
will similarly dip their bread in the gravy while it is still hot and the pan itself available for dipping.

I believe psychic ability is real for personal reasons beyond this forum, but such ability is innate
and unique, it is an exception to human nature and not the general rule as been attested elsewhere
in the larger culture. In sum, this is not teachable for commercial profit.

Tiki Tom · Aug 31, 2021

So, what aren’t they telling us? Numerous trails, campgrounds, etc, around the site of the family’s death have been closed due to an unknown threat. It is a pretty large area. Is this a drastic over-reaction? Or a normal “abundance of caution”? What is lurking out there?

They are being given a bit of cover in that, the very next day, an even larger area was closed due to “extreme fire danger”. Make of it what you will…

https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article253868828.html

Paging Agents Mulder and Skully. Paging Agents Mulder and Skully… What is lurking out there??

Zombie_61 · Sep 1, 2021

Tiki Tom said:
So, what aren’t they telling us? Numerous trails, campgrounds, etc, around the site of the family’s death have been closed due to an unknown threat. It is a pretty large area. Is this a drastic over-reaction? Or a normal “abundance of caution”? What is lurking out there?

Whatever it is, they're taking a page out of the COVID playbook and making everyone stay away by closing all of California's national forests at 11:59 p.m. tonight until at least September 17th. They're saying it's "due to extreme fire conditions throughout the state", but, y'know, militarized bigfoot attacks, surprise invasion from outer space, Elvis really isn't dead and he wants to get his burning-marshmallow-on-a-stick fix... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Harp · Sep 1, 2021

Zombie_61 said:
Elvis really isn't dead and he wants to get his burning-marshmallow-on-a-stick fix... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

At Hines VA Hospital for a routine appointment I met another vet whom had served with Elvis in Germany.
Their company had a regular assigned lawn/grounds care fatigue detail with older push grass cutters,
really antiquated stuff. So Elvis went out and bought brand new gasoline grass cutters without official
permission. They used these until rotation and discharge back to CONUS. Elvis stayed in his line armor
outfit and remained a tanker until discharge when he could have gone special duty status.

Harp · Sep 1, 2021

Tiki Tom said:
So, what aren’t they telling us? Numerous trails, campgrounds, etc, around the site of the family’s death have been closed due to an unknown threat. It is a pretty large area. Is this a drastic over-reaction? Or a normal “abundance of caution”? What is lurking out there?

They are being given a bit of cover in that, the very next day, an even larger area was closed due to “extreme fire danger”. Make of it what you will…

Confusing. Until the toxicology report is in, my fear remains that this tragedy was deliberately set
by the parent(s). Other issues in this geographic zone may be ancillary or prove relevant but such seems
unlikely.

Haversack · Sep 1, 2021

My first thought when I heard the above story of the deaths of the hiking family was 'Were they in a bowl with bay laurel trees?' Then I realized this was the wrong part of the state. In NW California and SW Oregon bay laurel are native and locals know to be careful when out in the woods to not rest in depressions/valleys forested with bay laurel. If nothing else, you'll likely end up with a headache. You don't want to camp and fall asleep there. The oil in the leaves out-gasses at night and is not good to breathe.

Tiki Tom · Sep 2, 2021

Yikes. Another slew of unexplained deaths. $40,000 reward for information regarding the mysterious deaths of fifty-eight pregnant cows in a single pasture in North Dakota. It appears the deaths were caused by something “not naturally occurring”. Lightning strikes and toxic algae have already been ruled out. (Let’s hope it is not linked to those hiking deaths in California.

Pure unwarranted speculation.) Law enforcement raises the possibility that it might be related to two unsolved fires on the same ranch earlier in the year.

https://www.kvrr.com/2021/09/01/40000-reward-offered-for-information-about-mysterious-cattle-deaths/

Fifty150 · Sep 2, 2021

It must be tied to Bill Gates experimenting with drugs that will be used to control the world.

Lean'n'mean · Sep 3, 2021

" $40,000 reward is being offered for information that leads to an arrest and conviction" .........they obviously suspect human culprits & combined with the fires, a neighbor/ranch war can't be ruled out. Mulder & Scully are investigating, just in case.

Zombie_61 · Sep 3, 2021

Lean'n'mean said:
" $40,000 reward is being offered for information that leads to an arrest and conviction" .........they obviously suspect human culprits & combined with the fires, a neighbor/ranch war can't be ruled out. Mulder & Scully are investigating, just in case.

Or they're completely clueless and they're willing to endure any number of conspiracy theorists until they get what they think is a genuine lead.

Harp · Sep 5, 2021

Tiki Tom said:
Yikes. Another slew of unexplained deaths. $40,000 reward for information regarding the mysterious deaths of fifty-eight pregnant cows in a single pasture in North Dakota. It appears the deaths were caused by something “not naturally occurring”.

Obviously a range cat fight over a bull. That's a lot of bull.

Tiki Tom · Sep 5, 2021

Law enforcement officers really should consult us when a mysterious case comes up. As their befuddlement continues, only now are they considering if it might have been a lightning strike…

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/arti...-deaths-sierra-yosemite-mariposa-16436964.php

Woodtroll · Sep 5, 2021

Tiki Tom said:
Law enforcement officers really should consult us when a mysterious case comes up. As their befuddlement continues, only now are they considering if it might have been a lightning strike…

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/arti...-deaths-sierra-yosemite-mariposa-16436964.php

That's interesting, but I wonder if the news is just now picking up on this possibility that had always been under consideration. I find it hard to believe that given all the signs that indicate lightning as a possibility, and no signs to indicate lots of other traumatic or self-inflicted causes, someone in the group of search crews or first responders wouldn't have suspected lightning right off the bat. I did think that "carbon monoxide from closed mines" was a real stretch of the imagination, though. But again, we're not there, so I'm really interested to see how this turns out.

Thanks for keeping us up to date!

Harp · Sep 5, 2021

Tiki Tom said:
Law enforcement officers really should consult us when a mysterious case comes up. As their befuddlement continues, only now are they considering if it might have been a lightning strike…

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/arti...-deaths-sierra-yosemite-mariposa-16436964.php

Toxicology reports are still out and until these are in I am discounting all other possibile cause for now.
Certainly a perplexing case, but while lightning retains strong suit its fatality statistics are low and outside
probable cause. The picture of this attractive couple is heartbreaking.

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