Can a man appreciate vintage and be metro?

Senator Jack · Apr 24, 2007

It doesn't matter at all. No one's knocking these guys, I'm just saying that due to the connotations, I don't like it applied to vintage aficianados, which is what is happening (even here).

Again, when I wear a narrows 60s suit and narrow tie, I don't like being called a Blues Brother. The great unwashed doesn't know about 60s style except through a twenty-five year old picture. Okay, no big deal, but I hate having to be polite and avoid calling them out on their ignorance. Same with metrosexual.

jamespowers · Apr 24, 2007

Senator Jack said:
It doesn't matter at all. No one's knocking these guys, I'm just saying that due to the connotations, I don't like it applied to vintage aficianados, which is what is happening (even here).

Again, when I wear a narrows 60s suit and narrow tie, I don't like being called a Blues Brother. The great unwashed doesn't know about 60s style except through a twenty-five year old picture. Okay, no big deal, but I hate having to be polite and avoid calling them out on their ignorance. Same with metrosexual.

Exactly. :eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_clap

beaucaillou · Apr 24, 2007

Senator Jack said:
It doesn't matter at all. No one's knocking these guys, I'm just saying that due to the connotations, I don't like it applied to vintage aficianados, which is what is happening (even here).

Again, when I wear a narrows 60s suit and narrow tie, I don't like being called a Blues Brother. The great unwashed doesn't know about 60s style except through a twenty-five year old picture. Okay, no big deal, but I hate having to be polite and avoid calling them out on their ignorance. Same with metrosexual.

Ah, I see what you are saying Jack.

I was more attempting to address those who feel a need to assert their definition of 'Metrosexual' as a "correct" one, or of using it as a negative judgment.

ValleyBoy · Apr 24, 2007

Senator Jack said:
It doesn't matter at all. No one's knocking these guys, I'm just saying that due to the connotations, I don't like it applied to vintage aficianados, which is what is happening (even here).

Again, when I wear a narrows 60s suit and narrow tie, I don't like being called a Blues Brother. The great unwashed doesn't know about 60s style except through a twenty-five year old picture. Okay, no big deal, but I hate having to be polite and avoid calling them out on their ignorance. Same with metrosexual.

AGREED!

herringbonekid · Apr 24, 2007

i must say i don't think i've heard the phrase pop up in conversation ONCE in england (and i work in London). but then men don't seem to bother with expensive moisturiser over here.

TommySalieri · Apr 25, 2007

Senator Jack, you are my hero.

After reading through the entire thread, I must say that I am proud of what has been achieved here. The memory (and masculinity) of the vintage man has been well-defended from the wiles and double-talk of a particular area of "progressive thinking".

ferryengr · Apr 25, 2007

Miss Neecerie said:
But can putty change a tire?

So Miss N, or the other ladies, how would you feel if you were broke down on the side of the road and I stopped and offered to change your tire. I happen to be quite good at things like that and would have you on your way in a jiffy. Would you feel appreciative, or a need to prove yourself, or would you feel slighted (like maybe I thought you could not do it), or what? No judgement meant here, just curious about how the ladies would feel.

ferryengr · Apr 25, 2007

beaucaillou said:
Ah, I see what you are saying Jack.

I was more attempting to address those who feel a need to assert their definition of 'Metrosexual' as a "correct" one, or of using it as a negative judgment.

Beaucailou, the first thing that hit me after I started this thread was how many different meanings people had for the word metrosexual. I guess I should have known, as many words mean different things to different people.

jamespowers · Apr 25, 2007

TommySalieri said:
Senator Jack, you are my hero.

After reading through the entire thread, I must say that I am proud of what has been achieved here. The memory (and masculinity) of the vintage man has been well-defended from the wiles and double-talk of a particular area of "progressive thinking".

:eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_clap

Miss Neecerie · Apr 25, 2007

ferryengr said:
So Miss N, or the other ladies, how would you feel if you were broke down on the side of the road and I stopped and offered to change your tire. I happen to be quite good at things like that and would have you on your way in a jiffy. Would you feel appreciative, or a need to prove yourself, or would you feel slighted (like maybe I thought you could not do it), or what? No judgement meant here, just curious about how the ladies would feel.

If you politely offered...and I didnt get the 'wierd and creepy' vibe from you, I would be ok with someone changing a tire for me.

I -know- i know how to change a tire..so nothing anyone could imply would change that 'I can do it' in my head.

Sadly, the offers don't generally happen, and I understand that it's sometimes because men assume women will find it unsafe, creepy...etc..

reetpleat · Apr 25, 2007

TommySalieri said:
Senator Jack, you are my hero.

After reading through the entire thread, I must say that I am proud of what has been achieved here. The memory (and masculinity) of the vintage man has been well-defended from the wiles and double-talk of a particular area of "progressive thinking".

Not 100% sure what you mean, but I can say that my masculinity is based on my behavior and interaction with the world. My love of vintage clothing or the golden age has nothing to do with it. While I will nt impugn the masculinity of the vintage male, neither will I hold them up as some perfect example of what a man should be. I strive to hod myself up as that the best I can.

ferryengr · Apr 25, 2007

Miss Neecerie said:
If you politely offered...and I didnt get the 'wierd and creepy' vibe from you, I would be ok with someone changing a tire for me.

I -know- i know how to change a tire..so nothing anyone could imply would change that 'I can do it' in my head.

Sadly, the offers don't generally happen, and I understand that it's sometimes because men assume women will find it unsafe, creepy...etc..

You are right Miss Neecerie, men sometimes shy away from offering to help a lady they are unfamiliar with so they don't encounter the looks they get from some women that seem to think all men are creeps or something to be afraid of. I guess a man should be willing to brush those occasional looks off and remember the sincere gratitude most women will bestow when offered a little help.

TommySalieri · Apr 25, 2007

reetpleat said:
Not 100% sure what you mean, but I can say that my masculinity is based on my behavior and interaction with the world. My love of vintage clothing or the golden age has nothing to do with it. While I will nt impugn the masculinity of the vintage male, neither will I hold them up as some perfect example of what a man should be. I strive to hod myself up as that the best I can.

Take it at face value.

I was referring to how some were associating the styles and habits of the Mid-20th century man with that of these so-called, "Metrosexuals" of today.

To compare the two and claim that they are both the same thing in any way or form is - to say the least - outright absurd.

[EDIT: Link removed because I don't know who these people are and we do not single individuals out for ridicule on The Fedora Lounge. It just isn't cricket. -HJ]

[Second link removed because it's just too big. -HJ]

Can you guess which one's the "metro"? One of the two clearly has sexual identity issues.

beaucaillou · Apr 25, 2007

TommySalieri said:
Take it at face value.

I was referring to how some were associating the styles and habits of the Mid-20th century man with that of these so-called, "Metrosexuals" of today.

To compare the two and claim that they are both the same thing in any way or form is - to say the least - outright absurd.

[EDIT: Link removed because I don't know who these people are and we do not single individuals out for ridicule on The Fedora Lounge. It just isn't cricket. -HJ]

[Second link removed because it's just too big. -HJ]

Can you guess which one's the "metro"? One of the two clearly has sexual identity issues.

Again, it entirely depends on what your definition of 'Metrosexual' is. If the term had existed 40 years ago, there would indeed likely be many men that we could agree would fall under the umbrella, and most likely many of them would not in fact have sexual identity issues, as many don't today.

Until reading this thread in this forum, it never occurred to me that people would find 'Metrosexual' synonymous with sexual identity issues.

jamespowers · Apr 25, 2007

beaucaillou said:
Again, it entirely depends on what your definition of 'Metrosexual' is. If the term had existed 40 years ago, there would indeed likely be many men that we could agree would fall under the umbrella, and most likely many of them would not in fact have sexual identity issues, as many don't today.

Until reading this thread in this forum, it never occurred to me that people would fine 'Metrosexual' synonymous with sexual identity issues.

There would have never been a term like that back then because men never looked at doing what they did any other way than just doing what was right. That term would have flipped them out back then. I doubt they would have welcomed it with open arms---specifically because of the sexual identity connotations. Things like that just weren't discussed in polite company.

TommySalieri · Apr 25, 2007

HJ, we know those two personally. Plus, their picture was being used to make a point.

TommySalieri said:
HJ, we know those two personally. Plus, their picture was being used to make a point.

But I get the point.

Edit: Oops. Sorry for the double post.

Hemingway Jones · Apr 25, 2007

Tommy, Old Sport, I wouldn't call it a rule, but I would certainly call it a strong guideline: do not single people out for ridicule here at The Lounge.
Thanks.

herringbonekid · Apr 25, 2007

TommySalieri said:
Plus, their picture was being used to make a point.

if there was a point i'm still not sure what it was.

Marc Chevalier · Apr 25, 2007

TommySalieri said:
HJ, we know those two personally.

IMO, if you haven't actually met these two face to face, or haven't even spoken with them on the phone, then you really don't know them personally.

You know of them, and that's all. Best not to use them as examples without their permission.

.

reetpleat · Apr 25, 2007

jamespowers said:
There would have never been a term like that back then because men never looked at doing what they did any other way than just doing what was right. That term would have flipped them out back then. I doubt they would have welcomed it with open arms---specifically because of the sexual identity connotations. Things like that just weren't discussed in polite company.

I guess the two issues would be would a guy back them be a metrosexual, and are we, as men who have certain attitudes, anything like metros.

Back then, it was actually more acceptable for men to groom themselves, care about clothing and perfumed hair lotion or whatever.

However, many working class folks might have disparaged them as dandies, dudes or even impy homosexuality, and ridicule them. It was probably more of a class thing.

As for us today, some here might qualify as metros, some might more resemble something else, like a european dandy, or a gentleman perhaps.

I guess we are who we are. As for the term, it probably had it's equvilant back then.

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