Dita supports PETA

KittyT · Sep 26, 2007

Rooster said:
Domestic animals are property, You have a "right" to care for them as you see fit. No Government agency should be in charge of what you can and can not do with your animals.
Of course, that's just my opinion....

Within reason. Do you think that any individual should have the right to torture their pet?

Fletch · Sep 26, 2007

As a fellow farm-stater, I can respect Rooster's opinion, even tho I do not endorse it. In agrarian societies, animals are property - be they stock or food or workers or companions.

Companionship is a very subsidiary role for an animal in this fiercely utilitarian, close-to-the-bone way of life, where a little too much largesse traditionally could starve you in a year of bad harvests or bad markets. The dog has to hunt. The cat has to mouse. The man and woman have to work. Everything must produce.

I should add that torture is not part of this scenario. It's not only cruel but unproductive. But there is a little too much room in the scenario for someone who works an animal (or a human being) to injury or death, or abuses one for not working well. People do that, sometimes, when so much depends on getting the work done. It's good in a way that we don't farm or work with horses anymore.

Whether all this ignores present day realities is kind of beside the point - it's a deep and strong current in a lot of people's lives, and it is only natural there is resentment when it is challenged.

Edward · Sep 26, 2007

artful dodgette said:
i work within the footwear industry, i can assure you that clothing and footwear leather is NOT a by-product, as the leather from a cow for the food indusry tends to be distorted and badly marked so its inferior in quality, most shoes sadly are made out of kid.

Mmn, that's disappointing. I watched a few documentaries here in the UK that showed the whole slaughter process of cows being killed for meat, and in those they showed the corpses being carefully skinned in order that the hides could be used in the leather industry. I know they took great care not to mark the hides, but this must not be standard practice, then. Pity.

artful dodgette · Sep 26, 2007

i know, i totally agree with you, it is sad

i even know of one perticular high designer fashion house who uses 'unborn' calf leather. that to me is so disgusting its untrue!

Lauren · Sep 26, 2007

I she doesn't want her furs and hats anymore, I'll take 'em!

(more furs for me)

Matt Deckard · Sep 26, 2007

Hopefully the professor is wearing a cotton bowtie and jacket in that ad.

I Like Pita, especially with some butter and ... well I don't know most any meat would work. It's like they were meant for eachother.

Fletch · Sep 26, 2007

I like Dita, especially with some butter. Preferably cocoa butter.

Marc Chevalier · Sep 26, 2007

Best legs in the business.

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twobarbreak · Sep 26, 2007

KittyT said:
Well obviously as a breeder, and someone who EARNS MONEY from animals not being fixed, it's in your best interest. I do not feel that it applies to the rest of the general population.

I have always breed my dogs for fun, and because i want to create a solid working bloodline, Not for money. It actually cost me a lot more money taking care of all my dogs and doing about 3 maybe 4 breedings a year or studding out a male buys me some dog food.

KittyT said:
How can you even compare the level of responsibility or your ownership of your dogs to that of the general populace?

thanks for the compliment but just I'm just a tax paying citizen like everyone else who follows the same laws.

twobarbreak · Sep 26, 2007

KittyT said:
Also, what rights are we talking about here? The "right" to contribute to animal overpopulation? The "right" to contribute to the euthanization of millions of animals every year? The "right" to contribute to unwanted animal suffering?

I don't believe anybody wants animals to suffer, but we do have laws to protect animals from cruelty.

KittyT said:
Don't get me wrong, I don't believe in mandatory spay/neuter, I just think that presenting this as an issue of "rights" is just plain ridiculous.

well, believe it...I can't tell you exactly how many states in the last 2 years have been trying to pass these laws but California recently came pretty close...

it starts with higher license fee's for unfixed animals and rates just grow, then some cities pass mandatory spay/neuter for certain breeds, and if Peta gets it's way it would eventually be every pet...

pet-law.com

this is a good list of all the places doing it ,so it's certainly not "ridiculous"...

animalnews

and like i said in previous post, i support the choice of spay/neuter and believe more people who own pets should...

twobarbreak · Sep 26, 2007

Rooster said:
Domestic animals are property, You have a "right" to care for them as you see fit. No Government agency should be in charge of what you can and can not do with your animals.
Of course, that's just my opinion....

so correct you are...the problem is these animal rights groups lining the pockets of politicians who try and pass laws to control how we take care of of Fido...

Kimberly · Sep 26, 2007

I can totally relate to this topic right now. I have a stray cat that lives under the factory across the street from my house and she was coming here to eat. I couldn't refuse, she was all skin and bones and was starving.

Anyhow, low and behold she brings me her two kittens who are feral and puts them in my garage. I was feeding her and the kittens and then she freaks out because of the wild critters that come in my yard at night and she moves them back to the factory. The feral kittens are starting to get used to me but I still can't touch them. They are now young cats and could probably be fixed.

I had no idea she was pregnant again because there were some days I didn't see her, she would just come to my yard to eat. Low and behold she has more kittens over at the factory and I can't find them (she has them inside of the siding of the factory and in a crawl space)

I have called a couple of organizations around here for assistance in trapping these cats and fixing them but they are so overwhelmed they can't help. They have no space at shelters for the kittens (especially ferals).

Anyhow, it would cost me an arm and a leg to fix 3 cats and I just sunk down close to $500 this year for my own cats. I would be willing to pay for them to get fixed if I could get some kind of help with the trapping and the costs but so far I have not been successful.

There should be some kind of grant programs out there for strays and ferals so they don't reproduce. It is not so much pet owners as it is stray animals in my opinion.

Rooster · Sep 27, 2007

Kimberly, Don't think me heartless, but 30 cents worth of .22 ammo will fix your stray cat problem. I like cats myself, gotta supreme mouser that we got from a shelter which is where we also got our pure breed german shorthair. But, feral cats aren't good for anybody, and I sure don't want my tax dollars going to some government program for wayward cats......
Don't feed stray cats in the future and these problems are less likely to occur.

Marc Chevalier · Sep 27, 2007

But Rooster, drowning them in weighted sacks would be cleaner, and you'd save a few bullets. Then again, the pleasure of target practice wouldn't be there.

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Kimberly · Sep 27, 2007

Rooster said:
Kimberly, Don't think me heartless, but 30 cents worth of .22 ammo will fix your stray cat problem. I like cats myself, gotta supreme mouser that we got from a shelter which is where we also got our pure breed german shorthair. But, feral cats aren't good for anybody, and I sure don't want my tax dollars going to some government program for wayward cats......
Don't feed stray cats in the future and these problems are less likely to occur.

Rooster, I am a sucker for animals and have been so since a small child. I have always been that way and it's in my blood so I don't think it will ever change.

Anyhow, I am not talking tax dollars but grants of some kind from public donations. I know they are out there, but have not had much luck in having them return my phone calls. The two semi feral cats she had before are becoming more tame and there are a couple of guys at the factory that feed them and are willing to adopt them if I can just get them.

I don't know about the other litter and am not even sure if they are alive because I can't find them. Right now I would be happy paying $40 to $50 for the other three getting fixed and keeping the mother cat and seeing if I can find homes for the other two.

While I may not agree with your method of controling pet population I can agree with you that something has to be done about it. I am going to call another place this weekend and see if I have anymore success.

Foofoogal · Sep 27, 2007

http://www.lovethatcat.com/spayneuter.html

Found this link that may help you. Glad to see you back.

J.S.Udontknowme · Sep 27, 2007

PETA in North Carolina

http://www.nokillnow.com/PETAanimalpeople.htm

Nathan Flowers · Sep 27, 2007

In the interest of moving things along, closed for now. Take up the debates via PM if necessary. Thanks.

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