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A little story on the Yamato...built in LEGO
http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2007/11/16/lego-battleship-yama.html
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A little story on the Yamato...built in LEGO
http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2007/11/16/lego-battleship-yama.html
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Mother of G-d--that's gotta be the single biggest LEGO model ever...
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Diamondback said:
Check out the Lego theme park for other large size lego models.
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Actually did this summer, I was factoring out the ones they "cheat" with glue and preservatives for the parks.
Some impressive stuff there, too, though...
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Unrepentant Hardcore LEGO Geek
Some impressive stuff there, too, though...
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Unrepentant Hardcore LEGO Geek
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Somebody's gotta lot of spare time.....
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Too bad the Iowas never got a chance to go toe to toe with the Yamato.
The Yamato had bigger guns (18 inch? vs 16 inch) but the Iowas had superior fire control and were faster.
Bob.
The Yamato had bigger guns (18 inch? vs 16 inch) but the Iowas had superior fire control and were faster.
Bob.
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Iowa also had more "reach"--Yamato was more like a bar-brawler, use massive armor to get those huge guns into point-blank range for max devastation, Iowa was more like the "sniper" of capital ships with precision long-range salvos.
(The range record is shared in fluke performances by the Queen Elizabeth-class HMS Warspite nd the German KM Gneisenau, around 26K yards and some change, but the Iowas had the longest "reliable" range.)
(The range record is shared in fluke performances by the Queen Elizabeth-class HMS Warspite nd the German KM Gneisenau, around 26K yards and some change, but the Iowas had the longest "reliable" range.)
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As I understand it. there is some debate about what are the longest range recorded 'hits' in naval gunnery. During the Battle of Punta Stilo or Calabria(July 9, 1940) the Italian battleship Giulio Cesare (a moving target) was hit by a single shell from a salvo from the Warspite at 'well over 26,000 yards'.
There has long been a debate about the possibility of a reciprocal hit on Warspite as blue smoke was seen rising from the Warspite by look-outs aboard the Guilio Cesare but no damage was recorded by Warspite. Close shells from a previous salvo had caused splinter damage to two RN destroyers near the Warspite.
The 'unlucky' Warspite (she had a record of collisions, usually with sister ships) was launched in 1915, bady damaged at Jutland and her 15 inch guns were replaces as 'worn out' in 1941.
May I ask, why do you say the above shot was 'a fluke'? Isn't there an element of luck in any long range hit against a moving target?
Alan
There has long been a debate about the possibility of a reciprocal hit on Warspite as blue smoke was seen rising from the Warspite by look-outs aboard the Guilio Cesare but no damage was recorded by Warspite. Close shells from a previous salvo had caused splinter damage to two RN destroyers near the Warspite.
The 'unlucky' Warspite (she had a record of collisions, usually with sister ships) was launched in 1915, bady damaged at Jutland and her 15 inch guns were replaces as 'worn out' in 1941.
May I ask, why do you say the above shot was 'a fluke'? Isn't there an element of luck in any long range hit against a moving target?
Alan
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Looks like one of the fleet of Yamatos that have been cruising around Brickshelf for years. There's quite a cool Anime/Space Yamato too.
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Alan, I say "fluke" because it wasn't a consistent pattern-of-behavior across the ship's history, or the entire class's. I'm not begrudging them the record, a number of guys over on the Axis & Allies Naval Miniatures board were advocating Warspite as a must-have for Set 2 or 3 (I was quietly backing them; we're gettin' her in Set 2), just noting that even for that ship that range wasn't as common as the Iowas' comparatively-closer but still extended-range hits.
Of course, the Iowas had all kinds of unfair fire-control advantages, too...lol
Please don't interpret my previous post as disrespect toward the Royal Navy nor any particular ship or crew of it, neither of us could have won the War solo.
Back to subject, who's on for building the Nimitz?
Of course, the Iowas had all kinds of unfair fire-control advantages, too...lol
Please don't interpret my previous post as disrespect toward the Royal Navy nor any particular ship or crew of it, neither of us could have won the War solo.
Back to subject, who's on for building the Nimitz?
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No such disrespect detected or imputed, DB.
I was just wondering, as an interested but not particularly knowledgeable amateur historian, what consituted a 'fluke' or lucky hit. The conditions at the time were very good - this may have contributed to accurate gunnery on both sides.
Alan
I was just wondering, as an interested but not particularly knowledgeable amateur historian, what consituted a 'fluke' or lucky hit. The conditions at the time were very good - this may have contributed to accurate gunnery on both sides.
Alan
Diamondback said:Alan, I say "fluke" because it wasn't a consistent pattern-of-behavior across the ship's history, or the entire class's. I'm not begrudging them the record, a number of guys over on the Axis & Allies Naval Miniatures board were advocating Warspite as a must-have for Set 2 or 3 (I was quietly backing them; we're gettin' her in Set 2), just noting that even for that ship that range wasn't as common as the Iowas' comparatively-closer but still extended-range hits.
Of course, the Iowas had all kinds of unfair fire-control advantages, too...lol
Please don't interpret my previous post as disrespect toward the Royal Navy nor any particular ship or crew of it, neither of us could have won the War solo.
Back to subject, who's on for building the Nimitz?
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Alan Eardley said:
Did it go down in Leyte Gulf? My old man's ship HMAS Manoora I recently found out was involved in that battle...the greatest naval battle in history?
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That's an amazing model.
Now how do you get it out of your kitchen?!
Now how do you get it out of your kitchen?!
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Cookie, you're thinking sister-ship Musashi, sunk by submarine Darter or Dace in Palawan Passage IIRC. Yamato herself lasted long enough to attempt a floating-kamikaze run against the invasion of Iwo Jima or Okinawa (don't remember which, sorry), only to be destroyed by a swarm of Helldivers and Avengers about 200 mile out or so. Google "Operation Ten-Go".
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Yeah the boat went out with only enough fuel in her bunkers for a one way trip= a kamikaze mission. It's one thing to launch 2000 kamikaze aircraft and have a good chance of creating substantial damage but sending one ship with 2000 men was just dumb even by Japanese standards of kamikaze philosophy.
All of discussing this are from the Allied camp and can't truly understand the mindset of the Japanese in 1944. I actually agree that the act of kamikaze in the esoteric sense is a good trade off but the Yamato run, no.
All of discussing this are from the Allied camp and can't truly understand the mindset of the Japanese in 1944. I actually agree that the act of kamikaze in the esoteric sense is a good trade off but the Yamato run, no.
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