Snobbery in the Lounge?

HoosierDaddy · Apr 7, 2008

Hmmm...from my viewpoint..snobs don't seem that difficult to detect. Seems little to do with their opinions...but more to do with actions and how they react to others. Some seem that snobbery is much of their personality,perhaps only as dismissive/defensive way to handle situations in everyday life. Others seem to choose a snobbish attitude because they simply may not like themselves. Then there are the part timers..just having a bad day..another terrible day..then another. They may not like their position in life at this time. Of course there are the hardcore snobs who are convinced that they are entitled where others are most likely not. They really don't value any of what you have to say..unless they have accepted you as one of them. Kinda like a pack of snobs who enjoy the constant battle of who can be the cleverest snippy snob on any given day.

Foofoogal · Apr 7, 2008

When I was in Scotland recently I actually made my abode in a tower of sorts.

I am amazed at this thread and still think it has a bit to do with funny brownies from my snobby point of view. lol

I was in an Ivory Tower state of mind once. Life has a way of giving you a fall and a hard fall.

"Doc" Devereux · Apr 7, 2008

CassD said:
Answering in the stead of a hubby whose computer is off, no, it's not ivory, but it was being built while JRR Tolkien was teaching at Leeds Uni and writing Lord of the Rings, so it's still fairly snobby.

jamespowers said:
Aha! Good old fashioned snobbery.

That's not snobby, that's just a bit posh.

surely · Apr 7, 2008

HoosierDady that's it, it's the behavior and it's the hardcore that's the real problem.

It just occurred to me that snobbery flourished during aristocratic times when the behavior was backed up by the power of the state. Thus people were rightfully afraid to call out a snob. Don't you think they should be able to do so now and that some sort of accountability is appropriate?

Foofoogal · Apr 8, 2008

Don't you think they should be able to do so now and that some sort of accountability is appropriate?
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Lord, now that scares me. How would this be. Make it politically incorrect to be a snob?

Would would be the snob police?

CassD · Apr 8, 2008

Foofoogal said:
Lord, now that scares me. How would this be. Make it politically incorrect to be a snob?

Would would be the snob police?

lol lol lol Now that would be a tough law to enforce. But I think Surely was possibly meaning that if we experience snobbery, we should not feel bad about standing up against it and letting the "snob" know that his or her attitude is not appreciated. Please do correct me if I'm wrong, Surely.

jamespowers · Apr 8, 2008

[QUOTE="Doc" Devereux]That's not snobby, that's just a bit posh.[/QUOTE]

lol lol lol lol Ok, I might as well give you that one. Good old fashioned poshness?

HoosierDaddy · Apr 8, 2008

surely said:
HoosierDady that's it, it's the behavior and it's the hardcore that's the real problem.

It just occurred to me that snobbery flourished during aristocratic times when the behavior was backed up by the power of the state. Thus people were rightfully afraid to call out a snob. Don't you think they should be able to do so now and that some sort of accountability is appropriate?

Yes...
And the punishment should be to assume the submissive position and kiss all the victim's rings....or if severe snobbery...their feet. AND...most importantly... with a convincing performance that they like it!

surely · Apr 8, 2008

CassD said:
lol lol lol Now that would be a tough law to enforce. But I think Surely was possibly meaning that if we experience snobbery, we should not feel bad about standing up against it and letting the "snob" know that his or her attitude is not appreciated. Please do correct me if I'm wrong, Surely.

Perfectomundo. I think she's got it!!

mtechthang · Apr 8, 2008

Since others posted theirs- My Ivory tower.

Nick D said:
Where I spend many of my days...

(University of Leeds, that's the Parkinson Building and Parkinson Tower)

But the administration has the upper floors. We are at ground level. That don't make me no muddleheaded academic, does it?
Sorry for the time warp- this would make more sense back a page or so!

HoosierDaddy · Apr 8, 2008

surely said:
Perfectomundo. I think she's got it!!

On a forum...the standing up against a snob has greater effect if several rise to the occassion and politely point out the transgression. However..then it might require snubbing the snobby offender rather than arguing the point in a lengthy thread......:eusa_doh:

mtechthang · Apr 8, 2008

If asked or allowed! Yes!

HoosierDaddy said:
And the punishment should be to assume the submissive position and kiss all the victim's rings....or if severe snobbery...their feet. AND...most importantly... with a convincing performance that they like it!

Save, HoosierDaddy- it isn't punishment to be allowed to kiss the ring of one's superiors!!

KilroyCD · Apr 8, 2008

And now for something completely different...

...a man with an axe in his head.

That's better, let's have more silliness now...

Dr Doran · Apr 8, 2008

surely said:
OK Yankee lets Tango. Tom, you're right about the definition of snob. But this thread is about snobbery, an act, a type of behavior. That is, a snob could act in quit a civil manner, and a non-snob could be guilty of snobbery.)

Important distinction.

mtechthang · Apr 8, 2008

Yes, Sir!!

KilroyCD said:

Anyone care to . . .

(Sorry that didn't work the first time)

HoosierDaddy · Apr 8, 2008

The epitome of snobbery. SO WHAT.....there's an axe in my head....

Mike in Seattle · Apr 8, 2008

ShortClara said:
And I could surely not help you Surely, as I don't have a snobby bone in my body

Clara, my friend, your luminosity is positively incandescent.

Tango Yankee · Apr 8, 2008

surely said:
OK Yankee lets Tango. Tom, you're right about the definition of snob. But this thread is about snobbery, an act, a type of behavior. That is, a snob could act in quit a civil manner, and a non-snob could be guilty of snobbery.

The question remains, when is behavior so offensive that it becomes snobbery?

To avoid any slippery slope or when does a difference in kind results in difference of substance type arguments, my position is: as we all are prone to snobbery, and thus subject to incur the wrath of ..... (fill in the blank), it's a good idea to know how we should not behave. Or, how better to hide your true feelings.

Well, in my opinion an act of snobbery is simply being rude. It's poor manners. So yes, I agree, a snob could indeed be perfectly civil where a normally non-snobbish person might transgress.

Perhaps the question ought to be at what point does snobbery become offensive enough to be considered rude? Or at least rude enough to respond to it?

The problem with this is that the line will be a rather vague one, depending upon the audience or the observers of the snobbery. If it's a longtime friend known for being a snob, the response may be one of "Well, Harry's always like that--it's just Harry being Harry" and they move on. Or someone could be in a less-than generous mood at the time, and take offense at a small act of snobbery. Various observers of the act may have a different perception of how egregious an act it was, such as with the movie thread referred to earlier.

As for knowing how we should not behave, for the most part the oldest lessons that our mothers taught us still apply: If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

As we all know, moving the interaction to an online forum simply raises the odds of having things misread, meanings intensified, etcetera. Tone isn't there, body language isn't there to give us clues as to actual meaning. It behooves us to a. Think back to that old rule, and b. When we're reading the posts take each with the proverbial grain of salt. Sometimes it seems to me that we as a nation (or should I say, we as a people since this is not a US-only board and I don't think that the sensitivity is limited to the US) have become overly sensitive to perceived slights. As someone in another post said or quoted, sometimes the percieved snobbery has more to do with the recipient's state of mind then that of the alleged snob.

Regards,
Tom

CassD · Apr 8, 2008

HoosierDaddy said:
On a forum...the standing up against a snob has greater effect if several rise to the occassion and politely point out the transgression. However..then it might require snubbing the snobby offender rather than arguing the point in a lengthy thread......:eusa_doh:

Agreed.

Foofoogal · Apr 8, 2008

Well, in my opinion an act of snobbery is simply being rude. It's poor manners. So yes, I agree, a snob could indeed be perfectly civil where a normally non-snobbish person might transgress.

Perhaps the question ought to be at what point does snobbery become offensive enough to be considered rude? Or at least rude enough to respond to it?

The problem with this is that the line will be a rather vague one, depending upon the audience or the observers of the snobbery. If it's a longtime friend known for being a snob, the response may be one of "Well, Harry's always like that--it's just Harry being Harry" and they move on. Or someone could be in a less-than generous mood at the time, and take offense at a small act of snobbery. Various observers of the act may have a different perception of how egregious an act it was, such as with the movie thread referred to earlier.

As for knowing how we should not behave, for the most part the oldest lessons that our mothers taught us still apply: If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

As we all know, moving the interaction to an online forum simply raises the odds of having things misread, meanings intensified, etcetera. Tone isn't there, body language isn't there to give us clues as to actual meaning. It behooves us to a. Think back to that old rule, and b. When we're reading the posts take each with the proverbial grain of salt. Sometimes it seems to me that we as a nation (or should I say, we as a people since this is not a US-only board and I don't think that the sensitivity is limited to the US) have become overly sensitive to perceived slights. As someone in another post said or quoted, sometimes the percieved snobbery has more to do with the recipient's state of mind then that of the alleged snob.

Regards,
Tom

Seriously agree. My very best friend is one of those woman who men and woman from 12 to 99 look at her when she comes in a room. Drop dead gorgeous. Most all when we were younger thought she was a real snob. She wasn't. She was just really shy and self conscious.Women loathed her mostly and men couldn't speak around her. So sometimes even in real life we get it wrong if we go in with preconceived notions.

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