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Tattoos.

farnham54

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Guelph, Ontario, Canada
G'day to you, Gents.

I have a friend who is rather into 'body art': piercings, markings, et al. I've got no drive to do such things, but nor do I have anything against them. However, seeing him in the halls each morning had me wondering about a certain era we manage to chat about from time to time.

What was the Golden Era's view of tattoos? Were all tattooed types thugs and criminals? My Grandfather was of the view that only Sailors and Criminals should be seen with such markings on their skin, so I would be guessing that this was a rather common view?

Regards,

Craig
 

Sergei

Gone Home
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Southern Belarus
Here is a quote from this web site which is a brief history of the tattoo:
http://www.powerverbs.com/tattooyou/history.htm

By the turn of the century, tattooing had lost a great deal of credibility. Tattooists worked the sleazier sections of town. Heavily tattooed people traveled with circuses and "freak Shows." Betty Brodbent traveled with Ringling Brothers Circus in the 1930s and was a star attraction for years.

The cultural view of tattooing was so poor for most of the century that tattooing went underground. Few were accepted into the secret society of artists and there were no schools to study the craft. There were no magazines or associations. Tattoo suppliers rarely advertised their products. One had to learn through the scuttlebutt where to go and who to see for quality tattoos.

The birthplace of the American style tattoo was Chatham Square in New York City. At the turn of the century it was a seaport and entertainment center attracting working-class people with money. Samuel O'Riely cam from Boston and set up shop there. He took on an apprentice named Charlie Wagner. After O'Reily's death in 1908, Wagner opened a supply business with Lew Alberts. Alberts had trained as a wallpaper designer and he transferred those skills to the design of tattoos. He is noted for redesigning a large portion of early tattoo flash art.

While tattooing was declining in popularity across the country, in Chatham Square in flourished. Husbands tattooed their wives with examples of their best work. They played the role of walking advertisements for their husbands' work. At this time, cosmetic tattooing became popular, blush for cheeks, coloured lips, and eyeliner. With world war I, the flash art images changed to those of bravery and wartime icons.

In the 1920s, with prohibition and then the depression, Chathma Square lost its appeal. The center for tattoo art moved to Coney Island. Across the country, tattooists opened shops in areas that would support them, namely cities with military bases close by, particularly naval bases. Tattoos were know as travel markers. You could tell where a person had been by their tattoos.

After world war II, tattoos became further denigrated by their associations with Marlon Brando type bikers and Juvenile delinquents. Tattooing had little respect in American culture. Then, in 1961 there was an outbreak of hepatitis and tattooing was sent reeling on its heels.

Though most tattoo shops had sterilization machines, few used them. Newspapers reported stories of blood poisoning, hepatitis, and other diseases. The general population held tattoo parlors in disrepute. At first, the New York City government gave the tattoos an opportunity to form an association and self- regulate, but tattooists are independent and they were not able to organize themselves. A health code violation went into effect and the tattoo shops at Times Square and Coney Island were shut down. For a time, it was difficult to get a tattoo in New York. It was illegal and tattoos had a terrible reputation. Few people wanted a tattoo. The better shops moved to Philadelphia and New Jersey where it was still legal.

In the late 1960s, the attitude towards tattooing changed. Much credit can be given to Lyle Tuttle. He is a handsome, charming, interesting and knows how to use the media. He tattooed celebrities, particularly women. Magazines and television went to Lyle to get information about this ancient art form.

Toady, tattooing is making a strong comeback. It is more popular and accepted than it has ever been. All classes of people seek the best tattoo artists. This rise in popularity has placed tattoists in the category of "fine artist". The tattooist has garnered a respect not seen for over 100 years. Current artists combine the tr5adition of tattooing with their personal style creating unique and phenomenal body art. With the addition of new inks, tattooing has certainly reached a new plateau.
 

MK

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I think tattoos are wierd. I love pictures and am inspired by imagery.....but there is no one image that I would want to see forever and make it a part of my body. If I like an image I can hang it on a wall. When I am tired of it, I can change it.

My father and grandfather had tattoos. I remember when I was a little boy and commited on them they always looked sad or embarressed by the indiscretion of their youth. They would say "son, don't ever get a tattoo". I am thankful for their instruction.

It is bad enough that men have tattoos. I am always saddend when I see girls/women with them. I don't understand girls of today embracing them. Woman tend to want to preserve their bodies, but women today seem bent on mutilating them with piercings and tattoos. It seems though that the piercings are on the decline.

The really odd thing is that women have them put where they can't see them!

Go figure.

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That is supposed to be sexy? I am sure her children and grand children will be proud.
 

Michaelson

One Too Many
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Well, MK, you being a relatively new father, it's going to be interesting to see how things go in your household when your young'ns get to the age of wanting tatoos and new holes in their bodies that weren't there when they first arrived on the face of the earth. Maybe it will have passed, but I have no handle on it myself. Doesn't seem to be going 'away' anytime soon, in my opinion. Been there, done that, have the wrinkles and grey hairs to prove it. Mom and I kept it 'at bay' until the daughters were of age, then had to pull back and watch to see how much we taught them 'took'. I'd say we were about 80% successful in that respect, as they don't look like the lady in your photo, but it's in the culture now (I don't quite understand it either, but then I'm not OF their age group), and that's the way it is. Time will tell as to whether or not they'll still be happy with what they have, but then, I can't live their lives, and only wish them good luck and a happy life. All I can hope is that common sense is in control, and so far, it seems to be there, so maybe I need to up the percentage to 95%+. Regards. Michaelson
 

Michaelson

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Do what I did when it first came up... say 'Sure honey, as long as it's an iron on, and I get to do it for you." You'd be amazed how quickly it gets dropped, for the time being. (grins) Regards. Michaelson
 

farnham54

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Guelph, Ontario, Canada
Thanks for that history there, Sergei. Very informative.

Interesting, too, to read about both MK and Michaelson's views on tattoos. I'm rather on the fence, sharing MK's idea that there is really nothing I would want to look at so often as to have it permanently ingrained on my body. However, if something DOES come up, I'm not ruling out getting a tattoo.

Heck, we don't know who the leading lady of Indy 4 is yet :D:D

Seriously though, I'd be more inclined to have a word, or perhaps a phrase. But again, if its not a good enough phrase that I remember it all on my lonesome then it's certainly not good enough to get it tattooed across my arm.

Time will tell, gents. Thanks again for the info.

Regards,

Craig
 

Kwebs

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Wisconsin
I never thought I'd get a tattoo, but a few months ago I was thinking about my best friend who died from muscular dystrophy, I wanted to honor him and I came up with the idea of a tattoo. His favorite movie was The Crow so I'm going to get a crow outline like in the movie and his face in the center of it with real love is forever underneath it. I just can't think a better way to memorialize him in my own way.

Dave
 

farnham54

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See, Dave, that I can see being a good memory and a good reason to get a tattoo. I'm sorry to hear about your friend, but you have a very touching way of remembering him. That is a true friend.

Regards,

Craig
 

Kilgour Trout

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Thunder Bay, ON
Don't you Dare Farn!!!

As your Older Brother...(Hold it I'm not his brother!!:eek: )
OK..As someone who could be your "Much" older brother...Don't do it Man!!
Trust me...what seemed so cool in the 70's is insane today and what is cool in the 00-10's will be insane in the 2040's! At least if bikers don't take over the world.
A while back, I was shopping with my 5 year old boy who saw a woman with one of those "This way---> tattoo's on her, or should I say..just above her backside. My boy said...Daddy "Why does that lady have a sticker on her bum? I knew the lady...and was sorely tempted not to say "why don't you go over and try and peel it off for her..but of course didn't. I said "I don't know son..." All I could think of was that by 80 that beautiful butterfly will take on the image of a screaming bat:eek: LOL . When you're forced to use a walker in 2040 or so...better to be batless, eh! I've seen some...tasteful ones but rarely. So..unless you're putting a maple leaf, or your celtic coat of arms over your heart...Stick with Henna!

Your Older Brother, (Just wait till you get back to Red Lake, Mister:D )

Kilgour Trout
 

farnham54

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LoL, Rob!

No worries there. I've tossed the idea around a few times but unless I have a VERY good reason, I simply won't do it. It's not just the way it'll look a few dozen years from now, but the cost! those things are EXPENSIVE!

So you can roll you sleeves back down, this youngin is well within the approved boundries :D:D

Regards,

Craig
 

Imahomer

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Danville, CA.
It's funny, because of my two sons (24 and 23), the youngest has two tattoos. He loves them, but the older boy doesn't want to have anything to do them.

I on the other hand have never really given it serious consideration. The other day, I thought "why not", but only if I could think of something that I wouldn't mind having permanently put on me. I asked for a female opinion and was told, get one of an Eagle. So, now I'm strongly considering that.

After all, everyone is different and at 52, if I decide to get my first tattoo, what the heck. At least I can say I didn't rush into it!
 

fedoralover

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I got 2 of them when I was in the Navy at the very mature age of 19. I'm 53 now and have had them so long I don't even know they are there. I taught my girls to have more sense and they never expressed a desire for one. However one does have a few more holes in her ears for rings than I thought was necessary, but at least they can be taken out.

fedoralover
 

Phil_UK

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Scarborough, England UK
Hi Everyone

I never thought very much either way on the subject of Tattoos, until the age of 39. I was on holiday and we walked past a parlour and I saw a design. Then and there I fell in love with this image, went in and had it done. I'm 41 and still love it as much. As you can see it wasn't a rushed thing. I'm planning on getting another sometime in the next year, or so, but time will tell on that and what it will be, as I've not decided yet. My rules are I won't have a name of any kind on my skin. I won't have a tatt on my face, hands, neck etc, which I think look awful anyway. Live and let live I say and never say never, cos you just might change your mind one day.

Regards Phil
 

ITG

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Below is a pic of my ankle tattoo I got when I was 18. I got it and THEN showed it to my parents (not the other way around as they would have raised cane). My dad's reaction while we were sitting at Panchos Mexican Restaurant: "That thing better rub off." I just stayed really silent and looked at him. There was nothing he could do.

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About 5-6 years ago I remember reading a newspaper article where it talked about how some tattooed people have placed it in their will to have their tattoo cut off and preserved when they die. Ick!
 

android

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MK said:
The really odd thing is that women have them put where they can't see them!

I don't like a lot of tatoos on women either, but I do like the nice designs at the base of the back.

And you *can* see them if you're in the right position!
 

kamikat

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I LOVE tattoos on guys. It gives them that "bad boy" thing that most girls love. When I was 18, I went with a friend to get one. She got hers and I chickened out. I had been thinking about it ever since. However, I recently spoke with her about it. She says that now, at 35 and after 3 kids, the little half moon right above her hip bone is unrecognizable. That changed my mind forever. As for piercings, I used to have a few, back in the late 80's before they were really in. I had my nose done and although way up both ears. Back them, only hindu women had their noses done. I loved it and love most of the neat facial piercings. If I wasn't afraid of pain, I would probably get my eyebrow and lip done. I don't understand the body piercing, though.
kamikat
 

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