my imagination or did i wake up in the wrong time

59Lark · Apr 25, 2009

Did you ever have the feeling you were left behind, not talking about aliens. The time frame, concept is more like it and its getting worse. When i was growing up, the world seemed so much different, a mans word, and his reputation was king, i once got a job simply because my father and his brothers had such a reputation for hard work that simply being their offspring was enough. We never locked our house, we left our drive shed with our tools wide open all summer and we never had any stolen. We had to ask our parents permission to use the phone till we are 16. We didnt steal, i once took a succer from irvings dept store and had to take it back and apologize. The world seems to lost its way with no punishment and no respect. Now before you think that i must 80 years old, no i am 45. I live in a small city and have a seven year old and a fifteen child. We home school and we live different we talk to our kids, they dont listen to bad music, they dont curse or spit.
Before you presume that i am a book thumper no not that , a family man trying to raise my family like i was but not on the farm. NOW two weeks ago someone took a little girl two blocks from my house on the way home from school. She still hasnt been found, my little one is scared and the peace that came from living in a small town has been broken. What is wrong with these people today. Waiting to move back to the country with big dog. 59Lark

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Fedord Spaniard · Apr 25, 2009

Im under 25 and I know what you mean...it seems like most of the world just gets trashier and more immoral through each passing day. Unfortunetley its only going to get worst.. i believe it is the fate of the this world to get to the lowest low before God steps in and straightens things out. Just hang in there and never give in to the evils.

"Skeet" McD · Apr 25, 2009

59Lark said:
Did you ever have the feeling you were left behind, not talking about aliens. The time frame, concept is more like it and its getting worse.

Well...this IS bad news. As someone from the US who has spent a fair amount of time in "northern southern" rural Ontario...various places (Durham; near floatin' Proton (Honeywood); Belwood; Mitchell)...going to Ontario was like going back 50 years in time, and I mean that for good (mostly) and for bad (very little, but some). You go through those towns and out on those long, long straight roads....farmers, truckers, and folks wave at you; people are nicer than we're accustomed to here; and when you see a sign out front of the Canadian Legion that says COMMUNITY SING THURS NITE...you figure it's probably full.

Western civilization isn't a course in schools anymore...and its beginning to be not much of anything else, either, IMHO. I neither hate my own country, nor Western civilization...quite to the contrary: I think both have given so much to the world that people have forgotten that things can be different. VERY different. We seem to be in decline just now...and if the rot has gotten into rural Canada....oh boy.

Well, THAT's spoiled the end of my day.

"Skeet"

Kermez · Apr 25, 2009

59Lark said:
they dont [...] spit.

'Round these here parts, we don't cotton to your kind...

Mojito · Apr 25, 2009

Regretably, I can't lament the passing of a time when it was a "man's world".

Nor could my grandmother (1908 - 1996) or my mother, who remembers that time very vividly indeed, and who instructed me.

Lillemor · Apr 25, 2009

Curse and spit?! Who thinks it's acceptable to spit these days?! I'm shocked. Do you regularly witness this? I didn't even know that spitting was considered an acceptable norm in this part of the world. I was just trying to control the cursing and let my boys know that I don't care what others do but I don't want them to curse here or any where else because quite frankly; I don't care if I'm being bigotted, I think it makes one look stupid. If I ever have to say a word on spitting...*look of warning*.

I was so frustrated with my baby boomer parents growing up and my mom often accused me of being just like her mother in opinion and perceptions. I feel totally disconnected from most people under 70 years of age.

One boy showed up unannounced and asked to come in and I let him because I worried his parents didn't even know where he was. I found his mother's number and called her to let her know where her boy was and asked when she wanted him home, and if we should give him a ride or if she allows him to walk alone. She seemed irritated with all these questions. Her boy is in a lot of trouble now and my middle son has witnessed him do very bad things so he's chosen to stay away from that boy as much as possible.

On one hand I expect my boys to help out around here more than most people expect of their kids because they're things that will make it easier for them later in life and because I think idle kids are a far worse shame than involved children. On the other hand I'm stricter than most in what I allow my boys to do but that mainly has to do with their lack of maturity and the disabilties of two of them.

I know my views on family relations, adult-children relations and social responsiblity are horribly outdated and incomprehensible to most people. I just give up! I'm not arguing with anyone and I don't expect anyone to agree with me on any points. I've long ago abandoned such lofty hopes.

Lillemor · Apr 25, 2009

On a man's world - I'm not opposed to other women living as liberally, independent and selffullfilling as they wish I just want more acceptance for my choice to unselect some freedoms, independence, and lack of personal goals. After all, if I'm forced to accept something I'm not comfortable with to conform to some new world expectations then that's not truly liberating even if most people would feel suffocated with the same life circumstances as those I've chosen. After stating something similar, this is where I've usually lost everyone at the corporate party.lol

Paisley · Apr 25, 2009

Do a site search and you'll find various threads on the themes of aren't-things-awful-these-days and I-just-don't-belong-in-this-time.

Lamplight · Apr 26, 2009

Lillemor said:
Who thinks it's acceptable to spit these days?! I'm shocked. Do you regularly witness this? I didn't even know that spitting was considered an acceptable norm in this part of the world.

The customary male routine here is to slowly get out of one's car, pull up one's sagging pants, spit, and then slowly walk to whatever store he's at. I've noticed that most boys/men here spit ALL the time. I had no idea saliva was such a foul substance that it must be expelled from the body constantly.

Caity Lynn · Apr 26, 2009

Lillemor said:
Curse and spit?! Who thinks it's acceptable to spit these days?! I'm shocked. Do you regularly witness this? I didn't even know that spitting was considered an acceptable norm in this part of the world. ... If I ever have to say a word on spitting...*look of warning*.

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol omg you just made my day. I live in rural West Virginia. Spitting is a part of normal life. Even if they're not spitting chew they'll just spit and rub it in with their foot. I've had to ask people to refrain from doing it on the sidewalk in front of me.

and as for tobacco spitting....:eusa_doh: you'll see the boys wearing their carharts inside and watch them open the front and lean their heads down. They've got a "spitter" (mt.dew bottle) in the inside pocket and have a dip in. I've had guys ask me to finish drinking a soda or water so they can use the bottle. Don't even make me think about the garage *shudder* or worse when I've seen them take a dip out of their mouth STORE IT go in talk to their mother, kiss her cheek with that nasty mouth and come out and resume the dip. It's terrible.

AtomicEraTom · Apr 27, 2009

The only time I ever spit was when I still chewed tobacco.....

I feel the same way, my nickname at work is "retro boy" and among my friends is "sixties" which my mother argues should be "fifties". I look at this world and am just disgusted, people walking around with sagging pants, shirts that should only be worn under a collared, button down shirt, and of course no hat unless it's a billboard/flat-billed. And women going to market in pajamas? Come on!

People always tell me "Tom, you were born in the wrong decade!" and they couldn't be any more honest than that. I frankly don't care, I just think of how much better the world would be if it were as it was 50-60 years ago, and try to just keep my rose-colored glasses on as much as I can about how the world is going to heck in a handbasket, without being totally oblivious to my surroundings.

Viola · Apr 27, 2009

My mom makes fun of me being fifties all the time too.

AtomicEraTom · Apr 27, 2009

Viola said:
My mom makes fun of me being fifties all the time too.

Dontcha just hate it. My mom is from a family of hair stylists and cut hair at her ma's salon for years in the men's side (it's got a men's and women's salon) and she's always on me when she cuts my hair. "Why do you have to put all this stuff in it, just leave it be, blah blah blah. My dad's just the same way, they're both on me about my old clothes, and my old furniture, and at least they like my old music!

Viola · Apr 27, 2009

My mom was a bit of a hippie and she always gets on me about "that's my MOTHER'S generation!" for stuff I like as far as clothes/hair/makeup.

And she doesn't like my music, especially not Hank Williams or Frank Sinatra.

JJWord · Apr 27, 2009

AtomicEraTom said:
The only time I ever spit was when I still chewed tobacco.....

Normally this doesn't bother me, but I was in line at Subway yesterday behind a man who brought his spitter in with him. It was a transparent sports drink bottle, and he was using it as he was order/walking down the Subway bar. Horrid. He's going to be eating soon anyway, couldn't he have taken the dip out before coming inside? Ugh.

59Lark · Apr 27, 2009

my apologies to the ladies.

Dear Ladies; I am sorry for intended or not, it wasnt so much as power over woman there aint any of that in my home, or my fathers. IT was more than a mans word meant something, i have had a store for nearly thirty years, and the first fifteen i rented, i never signed a lease, i shook hands. Dinosaur, am I, NOW Paisley would say plenty of people wanting to live in the past . I guess what really made me down was the aduction of the little girl who is only a year older than mine less than two blocks from here. In the last six months have seen more crack addicts, and meth. addicts than my whole life, when i was a child one of our neighbours a turkey farmer lost his wife and became a heavy drinker, as a boyscout we once took a pickup to his farm for a bottle drive and filled the box with stubby beer bottles. He never killed anyone and eventually got on the wagon and remarried. That was the worst than i remember, now I admit that i live in this world and not become part of it, the theme of the amish. We have a store on the side of our house, we homeschool our girls and we run the shop like a mom and pop shop from the fifities infact i specialize in fixing really old machinery. MY motto is take the best from the past and blend it into the present. Do what you can too make the world a better place. 59Lark.ps studebaker coming out of hibernation this week.

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Paisley · Apr 27, 2009

I don't think you really want to live in the past, I think you'd like a lot of the crime and drug addiction in your community to go away. The problems you mention became serious decades ago in less isolated areas. Some communities solved their problems; others went to seed. I suggest you get together with your neighbors to find some solutions that have worked in other areas.

avedwards · Apr 27, 2009

You think America's bad? Look where England's gone

So many youths fit into the category of what is know as a chav, a modern slang word here referring to hoody wearing teenage hoodlums, the origin of the word being either "Council House And Violent" or "Capped Hooded And Violent". Either way, these people are not nice to meet on the street as they have no respect for those who like to be individual and I have had friends from school who were surrounded by groups of them carrying knives (my friends had to call the police).

I year ago I met some people I knew from primary school. At primary school they were the nice friendly children any parent would approve of their children assossiating with. When I met them they were smoking (at 15), drinking alcohol, spitting after every word they said, and I have heard stories which I believe to be true that they smoke more than tobacco and that they go to some pretty disreputable clubs.

OK, sounds like I'm moaning about England here. No, I like it here, the adults on the streets are friendly and my friends are not violent and are accepting to the stage of appreciating my hats and suits. I don't want to put Americans off from visiting England, just be wary of seedy residential areas.

Caity Lynn · Apr 27, 2009

JJWord said:
Normally this doesn't bother me, but I was in line at Subway yesterday behind a man who brought his spitter in with him. It was a transparent sports drink bottle, and he was using it as he was order/walking down the Subway bar. Horrid. He's going to be eating soon anyway, couldn't he have taken the dip out before coming inside? Ugh.

^common occurrence where I live. Sometimes they even use MY soda bottle:eusa_doh: it is SOOOO disgusting.

Viola · Apr 27, 2009

avedwards said:
I year ago I met some people I knew from primary school. At primary school they were the nice friendly children any parent would approve of their children assossiating with. When I met them they were smoking (at 15), drinking alcohol, spitting after every word they said, and I have heard stories which I believe to be true that they smoke more than tobacco and that they go to some pretty disreputable clubs.

I drank a little at 15 and I only didn't smoke because I couldn't afford it (A lot of girls I knew were into ballet and smoked to keep from gaining weight) - it didn't do me too much harm, and I grew out of it. Probably even vintage, if not attractive.

I think a lot of people go through that awkward teenage phase without growing up to be bad people.

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