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Discussion in 'Outerwear' started by Marc mndt, Jan 4, 2021.

  1. Torstein

    Torstein Familiar Face

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    Okay nice!
    That's clarifying! I see your point. While there's some difference, it's all heavyweight in feel.
    Yup, whatever I get I want to wear it a lot. Might adopt Carlos' spray-before-wear too.
    From pics and Terry's videos it seems like the newer LW HH is 1) still heavy and tough as nails, but 2) does break in faster than say 10 years ago. Which sounds like a good balance.

    Thanks for your replies. They helped :)
     
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  2. tmitchell59

    tmitchell59 I'll Lock Up

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    Well said. My Older Heavy Test is 4+. Has all the qualities of Toughness, but not so much Beauty. I've seen a definite change in his Heavy HH the last few years.
     
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  3. Canuck Panda

    Canuck Panda Practically Family

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    Yes, ultimately it's up to the maker on which part of the leather to use. But with Shinki and Badalassi, the maker will end up with less waste vs Horween. It comes from the factory trimmed and thus smaller pieces and cost more per square feet. But if Horween was trimmed down it would cost the same.

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  4. Yamahana

    Yamahana A-List Customer

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  5. tmitchell59

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    I really don't have any idea on the genuine leather jacket. It's a very generic label. The eBay jacket it's much more interesting to me with the spots on it. Evidently this is labeled Windward. I'm thinking California sportswear company as a suspect but not committing to them as the maker. Kidney panel and lower back just don't look like California sportswear details
     
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  6. tmitchell59

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    EBay jacket is just so small
     
  7. kellohenkka

    kellohenkka New in Town

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    Hey all! Long time lurker here looking to buy a first japanese leather jacket. I own a Vanson AR3 for riding which is the perfect size in 42, but not fit. Chest and shoulders fit great, but sleeves are a little too short and the waist a little too large. I am pretty much a V-shape with an athletic build.

    Now I've been looking at Freewheelers Mulholland, unfortunately not available at the time. I have also been looking at Rainbow Country single rider's. At first I didn't like the collar tab, but have actually learned to like it the more I see it. Also at the moment I prefer the simpler back design. Another choice wuold be Joe McCoy's Nelson, but at the moment I prefer the design and build of RC. Can anyone shed some light as to differences in the fits between these jackets? I think I'm looking for a one with preferably longer length sleeves and narrower waist for a trim fit. I don't much care for the extra details in FW vs. RC, especially when considering the Mulholland isn't available at the moment and wuold cost almost 1000 euro extra. Thanks in advance!
     
  8. Yamahana

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    It had me curious because of some similarities.
    Seems it was primarily Sears and Wards jackets that had peaked lower back panels. They also share the same pocket zipper design, same 1 star epaulets and they both have sleeve zippers on the top/front of the sleeves.
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    The generic one has no other labeling but the Genuine Leather, just had me wondering if there was some connection to the Windward with those similarities.
     
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  9. jeo

    jeo Practically Family

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    I don’t have the RMC Nelson, but I do have it’s predecessor the Wayward. I also have the RC single riders.

    The RC is a 34. My RMC is a 36. They both fit similar and have similar measurements. So definitely take that into consideration.

    When both fit properly, the RC is a little harder to move in. Sleeves are practically the same length.

    Can’t go wrong with either. I feel the RMC Nelson is a bit more ubiquitous in it’s design and therefore maybe a little easier to wear.

    Good luck and please be sure to post whatever you end up going with!
     
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  10. handymike

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  11. Kubatu

    Kubatu A-List Customer

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    Got a sheepskin vest in the other day that has a slight odor. Nothing too bad, but I would like to reduce it anyway. Any issues with using vinegar? I assume the leather would be fine, just not sure about the shearling interior.
     
  12. kellohenkka

    kellohenkka New in Town

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    Thanks Jeo! Obviously these things might change with sizing, but how wuold you describe the RC single rider's? For example longer sleeves, slim body, narrow hem etc.?
     
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  13. jeo

    jeo Practically Family

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    Definitely a tight fit. It's slim in the body. Surprisingly plenty of room at the waist. Not a great pattern for mobility. Standard length sleeves.
     
  14. dwilson

    dwilson One of the Regulars

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    I actually went through this exact process (even exact jackets) recently.

    So the Mulholland I rejected out of my list because I do not feel like I have a great frame for it. In general it seems to fit people who have a stockier build and I'm more lanky. So the measurements just did not look correct for me. I also wanted something without zip slash pockets for my hands.

    For the RC it felt like I could be either a 38 or 40. I was kind of in the middle. The RC has a longer body which is nice and narrower arms. Overall its a really beautiful jacket. I'm not a huge fan of the hercules back but I could probably learn to love it. What kicked this one out for me is the wool lining and cotton-flannel sleeves. Likely it would often be too warm for me in Southern California. I did find an older collab with RC which had a thin cotton body liner which if it was available in my size I'd likely own the jacket. And also like you I waffled back and forth on the neck tab. I think if I had my way I'd get rid of it.

    Then comes to my ultimate jacket I purchased which was the RMC Nelson. The Nelson is still likelier a better fit for a stockier person compared to the RC. It has a fairly short body and a comparatively wider chest and waist. However the size 38 was dead on my dimensions outside of those two factors and I overall liked the design more than the Mulholland or RC Herc. The cotton drill lining throughout means its a fairly lightweight all season jacket so it worked out well for me.

    TLDR; They're all great jackets and it will come down to your dimensions and some of the small differing factors
     
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  15. Marc mndt

    Marc mndt My Mail is Forwarded Here

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    Question to Freewheelers Caboose owners (@dudewuttheheck ). Are the pleats on the back functional? (like on this jacket)


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  16. navetsea

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    • Material: PU Artificial Leather
    aaaa.... :D, i would still buy stuff like this for my cracking desk chair though or worn spot on my motorcycle seat, just round the corner to make it less possible to peel off, square corner will peel off very easily .
     
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  17. dudewuttheheck

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    @Marc mndt no they are not. The center vent and armpit gussets are all functional, but not those back panels.
     
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  18. handymike

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    How do you safely remove all the gunk leftover from previous conditioners from a jacket’s topcoat?

    After experimenting with a few conditioners on an old deerskin jacket, I’ve found a favorite. Problem is that previous conditionings have left various results/ finishes. The collar has hardened a bit too. How can I safely remove a waxy finish (Tenderly) or a Pecard’s finish, or both from the deerskin?
     
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  19. Marc mndt

    Marc mndt My Mail is Forwarded Here

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    You could try Saphir Reno mat

     
  20. FL2021

    FL2021 New in Town

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    Question:
    Most Outerwear Jackets (Non Leather) with Pocket Zips close Downwards. Aero's and Field Leathers zip upwards..
    Any advantage/disadvantages of either/or and which ones would you choose for your Leathers?
     

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