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jlee562

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If you can find the beadwork, or can live with beadwork that isn't a 100% exact match, I'd bet Last Best West Hat Co. could replicate a decent facsimile. Knudsen Hats may also be able to do it.
 

Benzadmiral

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Mind if I ask a few questions about the C&K? Was this a new hat, or vintage? I was under the impression that Hatco and their predecessors back through Koracorp never bothered with the Crofut & Knapp brand, as I've never seen any sign of them, so if they were still selling them in '97, I need to know that! Any chance you could post photos? -- Brad
I'll see if I can borrow the digital camera I've used for other photos, then put 'em up on my Photobucket account. I don't know if Meyer's was still selling C & Ks new then -- this might have been an NOS. As I recall, I walked in, said "What's new?" to Mr. Paul, and he scooped this one up from a counter. It sure didn't cost anything like a new Stetson did then (approx. $75-80).

The hat looks more like a vintage to my tutored-by-FL-but-by-no-means-expert eye; the crown is pretty straight and full, which is one of the reasons I've always liked it. There's no liner, either. The C & K logo is applied to the interior of the crown.
 

mooglesrcute

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If you can find the beadwork, or can live with beadwork that isn't a 100% exact match, I'd bet Last Best West Hat Co. could replicate a decent facsimile. Knudsen Hats may also be able to do it.

thanks for the leads :) do you have any idea how much these fine proprietors usually charge for custom work?
 

Jedwbpm

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So my Roxbury (and Laurel) was delivered today; the Laurel's brim is already exactly as I want it, but the Roxbury's seems less curved, and certainly not as curved as shown on the Stetson website.

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There is a wire in the brim to hold the shape, but I'm afraid I'll ruin the hat since I've never ever attempted to shape the brim of a straw. Any idea as to HOW to actually get it to look like that? Do I just keep bending the brim wire or what?

With felt hats, I just held the brim against my body and shaped it to the contour. I don't think that'll work in this instance.

Sorry it has taken some time to get back to you. I agree with GTDean. A little steam and bend the wire a little at a time and it should come out just fine.

Jeff
 

The Wiser Hatter

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Call Mike at [URL="http://www.buckaroohatters.com/]Buckaroo Hatters[/URL] he carries hat bands like this all the time plus some real cool silver ones.

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Here is just some of the ones he carries.
 
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bowlerman

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The hat itself looks like an ordinary high crown cowboy hat that probably has a taper when open as well. My Resistol black western easily creases into that exact shape.

As for the bands, you could also try making one yourself-- at least the bone pipe choker style band is pretty easy to do. Your local leather shop or bead shop will probably carry assortments of those beads. I made one with turquoise and buffalo bone, and used real sinew to string them together, and a rather primitive strip of leather to tie it on.

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In retrospect, I wish I had used narrower bone pipe beads, but that may be another project for another time.

My wife bought this one for me at our local Native American book/craft store:

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bowlerman

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Does anyone have any tricks to stretching a raw brim without getting unwanted curves around the circumference?
I'm using a brim flange and a cold clothes iron, with a rag stretched over the flange and basically pulling by hand all around it, but there are still a few waves.
 

jlee562

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thanks for the leads :) do you have any idea how much these fine proprietors usually charge for custom work?

It looks like Last Best West starts out around $300. Knudsen may be able to do it in wool for a bit less - around $150 or so (not including the beadwork). It never hurts to shoot them an email or give them a call for an inquiry. Full disclosure: I've not dealt with either personally, I only know them as having made movie hat replicas and both are well known as western hatters.

Come to think of it, Jaxonbilt is another company that specializes in Westerns:
http://www.jaxonbilthats.com/hatshop.html
 

Doc Mark

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Greetings,

I've been seeking a nice grey Stetson fedora, to go with the others I've recently been buying and wearing, and today, won a Dobbs grey fedora, which has a Stetson liner in it. Did Stetson actually make hats for Dobbs at any time, or did someone just swap out the liner in this hat? I can post photos when it arrives. Or, you can check this link to see what I bought.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/360476594833?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

It would be nice if this hat was made by Stetson, but even if it's actually a Dobbs all the way, I think it should be a nice hat, and should serve my purposes well. Still, I'd like a proper grey Stetson, about the same grey color as the Dobbs I won today, if I can find one, and even better it it's a 7 3/8 LO. Thanks for any ideas or comments you can share. Once I get my hat stable in line with what I want, and after I get back a hat or two I'd like to send to Art Fawcett, I'll take and post photos here. Thanks, again, and God Bless!

Every Good Wish,
Doc
 

jlee562

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Alternatively, it could be a Stetson hat with a Dobbs sweatband. Dobbs and Stetson are both subsidiaries of HatCo. Theoretically it could be a factory second...which might explain the odd hole in the back of the sweatband, as well as it being a Dobbs sweat, but that's completely speculative on my part. I'm no expert on dating Stetsons, but it doesn't strike me as particularly old, as that's a fairly standard blocked crease for a modern hat.
 
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Doc Mark

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Evening, Jared,

Thanks, very much, for your take on this Dobbs mystery fedora. I am hoping it is a felt hat, and not wool, but I guess I'll take what I get, as long as it fits. It won't bother me if this hat is, indeed, a Dobbs, but I'm not too interested in a wool hat. Thanks, again, and God Bless!

Every Good Wish,
Doc
 

DougC

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I already sent them a message, but, I thought I'd ask here. When I went to Optimo this summer, I REALLY liked the way they displayed their hats on the back wall. Does anyone know what they used for the coated cable and anchor system? I would love that in my house--albeit, with fewer hats!
 

jlee562

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Auraliano did something similar, but he hasn't been around these parts much as of late, but I'm certain he detailed it in one of the threads around here...
 

Landman

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I already sent them a message, but, I thought I'd ask here. When I went to Optimo this summer, I REALLY liked the way they displayed their hats on the back wall. Does anyone know what they used for the coated cable and anchor system? I would love that in my house--albeit, with fewer hats!

It's hard to tell from the picture but that looks like 3/8" clear coated cable. You can probably buy it at Home Depot or Lowes back where the chains and ropes are located. I know for sure you can buy it at Tractor Supply Stores.
 

StokerCat

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Hello, boys...

...I'm new to the forum and fairly new to hats in general and could use a little help. I bought a 2nd
hand but never worn black 4X Stetson Boss Of The Plains with a 6-6 1/2" round-top, undented crown and a 4" straight brim, traditional string-ribbon band. I was thinking that it may look good on
me with a Montana/Campaign 4 dent crown but I don't know where I could have that done. It's a great hat in perfect shape and it's a 7 1/2 that fits, albeit loosely. I'm kinda stuck between having it
shaped, leaving it and displaying it as it is since it's such a cool hat or moving it on via eBay to
someone else who will wear it and replacing it with a hat I will wear.


I'm in Delaware and our local western wear shop closed last year and I have no idea who does
crowning and shaping, etc. I recently bought a Head N' Home Honey Stoker from a shop in
Lancaster, PA but they are about an hour away and I don't think they have those services.

Any help is appreciated!
 

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