Edward
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I think most often I let the hat decide. I do have a few that work both ways (up or down) but many of my hats make the decision for me.
Yes. I think there is, undoubtedly, an element of personal preference that can be generic, but I think a lot comes down to the hat itself. Colour can play into it in part, but very much so dimensions. I was always a brim down guy, but in more recent years I've come also to appreciate the brim-up look on a very specific style. Typically a 50s-style hat, with a shorter brim (2"-2.25") and a slightly lower c-crown, especially in a lighter shade, looks great with a turned up brim al round. I don't think it works so well with a wider brim (2.6"-3" and upwards) unless you're gonig for a specific Western style like an open road or a Stratoliner. These days moreso the open road (my experience of those models is all with modern production, mind) as, despite its similarities to the Stratoliner, it's in my experience a much stiffer felt, definitely heavier on the Western in the mix, whereas the Straoliner imo leans more into being a dress hat.
I think the answer MAY be this ad....
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and they elaborate on style and practice here
I instinctively rejected this idea as a reflex, but the more I think about it the more I think it might be right, even if I can't articulate why. Maybe it's because the sort of hats I like the look of, brim up (per above) tend for me to lend themselves more to more casual dress?
I realise that there is no account for taste or rules , but brim up are a frequent feature of the elegant people of a by gone era and not a modern thing only. Duke Ellington (who wore also hats brim snapped down at the front) was certainly one of the most elegant people of his times.
That is the look that I am talking about and I am after with SOME of my hats
It may be that this is predominately a musician thing ( I play although I am not a great saxophone player), but this look Is carried on by many modern musicians too.
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I think it might be something that went in and out of fashion too - not unlike having your jeans cuffed. (Which amuses me as I deliberately buy jeans overlong so I can cuff them, which mystifies my dad, who has his tailored to length. Child of the Sixties vs a son who looks to the parent's parents generation for style tips. )
I can't for the life of me remember where I saw it - it may even be aa memory of something I read about on TFL - but there is a film somewhere from the 40s where the male lead likes to wear his hat brim up, and he's teased for it by his slightly-younger date, who insists the fashion "now" is to wear it flipped down.
Whatever people prefer, it's mazing how - I think especially on a brim with a bit of width - it can radically change the look of a hat. See The Big Sleep, where Bogie goes into the book shop in disguise:
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