i do seem to remember these being short, mine just covers my belt line. in all fairness, any other Lee Rider i have had in my life would have been from the early 70's on, and from what i understand when they added the hand warmer pockets the basic "cut" of these changed also? is this true? there are a couple things that tend to make me think this may have been a second and that is why the condition is so supreme. the horizontal hem above the pocket flaps does not line up properly and the zig-zag stitch running vertically from button hole to button hole seems a bit erratic. those 2 items and the length were basically my only questions.