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matchankh

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have you worn this pair a lot? mine doesn't look like that (yet anyways) but I haven't really put miles on my boots so that's not saying much.

I hope @dudewuttheheck or anyone can chime in and explain what could have possibly happened here.


The pictures are after wearing them for 6-8 hours. It seems like the batch of black maryam Rizky received has similar problems and he told me he cant do the remake using the same leather as he cant guarantee it will be better
 

Jin431

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Viberg brown oiled horse butt today.

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@Robbie79 not sure if it's the same as the red brown but this is plenty red in real life and looks red on photos too
 

dudewuttheheck

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Grain is really low density on the left boot across the entire vamp as soon as I put them on. Not loose grain territory I think? but makes it really uneven with the right boot.

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It looks like loose grain to me, especially on your left boot. I can't feel it, but it looks like loose grain. Even if it is not technically loose grain, it's damn ugly. This is an issue with Onderhoud. He doesn't click anywhere near as well as Flame Panda for example.
 
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Marc mndt

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It looks like loose grain to me, especially on your left boot. I can't feel it, but it looks like loose grain. Even if it is not technically loose grain, it's damn ugly. This is an issue with Onderhoud. He doesn't click anywhere near as well as Flame Panda for example.
What is loose grain and how can the maker / clicker spot it? Is this not something that only appears after the shoe has been worn?

(I've never seen something like this on my shoes / boots but maybe that's because I only wear dress shoes?)
 

matchankh

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It looks like loose grain to me, especially on your left boot. I can't feel it, but it looks like loose grain. Even if it is not technically loose grain, it's damn ugly. This is an issue with Onderhoud. He doesn't click anywhere near as well as Flame Panda for example.

FP is a lot of more selective and use the leather wastage to make small leather goods to sell locally. Meanwhile Onderhoud wastes only 10-20% of his leather (He mentioned it in one of his ig post). That's why FP consistently puts out boots with good density hides and Onderhoud could be hit or miss.

Luckily Rizky understands my concern and agreed to a remake. I dont mind the grain being loose on the shaft as it is covered by jeans anyway but its across the entire vamp.

He also said the batch he received from Maryam was bad and he won't use this leather (or at least this batch) from now on.
 

matchankh

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What is loose grain and how can the maker / clicker spot it? Is this not something that only appears after the shoe has been worn?

(I've never seen something like this on my shoes / boots but maybe that's because I only wear dress shoes?)

Im by no means an expert like @dudewuttheheck but my guess would be when clicking if the maker stick with the centre part of the hide the density would generally be good but if you start using the outskirt of the hide more then there might be a problem?

Also I think you maybe can feel the difference by touching the hide. Loose hide will feel softer I guess? The left boot with loose grain i have feels softer and actually more comfortable to break in.

But I could be dead wrong.
 

Mich486

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On the loose grain topic… that’s not something to worry about in terms of structural integrity of the boots? Am I right?

I have it on at least a pair of boots and thought it looked cool but yeah I wouldn’t want it to compromise the integrity of the shoe.

I wouldn’t want it on a pair of calfskin dress shoes or cordovan boots but imho on this kind of boots isn’t a massive deal breaker. I understand though if someone isn’t happy.
 

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I can live with loose grain on the vamp (though at a certain price I shouldn’t have to) if it’s that way on both boots, but when the left and right don’t match it’s an absolute deal breaker.
 

Tom71

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Im by no means an expert like @dudewuttheheck but my guess would be when clicking if the maker stick with the centre part of the hide the density would generally be good but if you start using the outskirt of the hide more then there might be a problem?

Also I think you maybe can feel the difference by touching the hide. Loose hide will feel softer I guess? The left boot with loose grain i have feels softer and actually more comfortable to break in.

But I could be dead wrong.

I had this on a pair of Wolverine’s. Appeared out of nowhere after a few wairs. No difference in feel, and it didn’t develop further. I don’t mind it at all. Yeah, it’s not perfectly matched, but it looks natural. Still good boots for the money.
 

Jin431

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The pictures are after wearing them for 6-8 hours. It seems like the batch of black maryam Rizky received has similar problems and he told me he cant do the remake using the same leather as he cant guarantee it will be better
wow, that's not a whole lot of wear. I received mine in May so hopefully that Maryam batch is good. maybe go black shinki horsebutt? that will be cool but you may have to pay for more. is rizky asking you to send your boots back? hopefully he still lets you keep it. hopefully it's just aesthetics and doesn't affect the boot construction.

Lovely! Wish they wouldn’t cost that much over here. Have had two Vibergs over the years and loved both!
I also don't want to buy new viberg horse butt since it costs a lot but I got these on a trade so I'm happy to get it. They make the slip ons that I think looks really cool and I hope to try that out one day.
 

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