German & Austrian Hutmachers

Discussion in 'Hats' started by mayserwegener, Sep 1, 2008.

  1. mayserwegener

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    Manfred, Thanks! Happy New Year!
     
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  3. Steve1857

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    Does he have any opinion about what the wording might be around the Eagle, Steve? Perhaps he's come across something like it before.

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    Hello Steve1857,
    I wish I had! I was hoping the owner would be able to decipher something there. The Weimar eagle together with the Deutsche Wertarbeit stamp make it a 1930ies hat for me, perhaps it took its time until it was sold, the 1942 paper indicates a sale in the 1940ies.

    Interesting brand "Panonia". Pannonien (double n!) would indicate the reagion of today's Hungary. I don't know whether there is a chance to find out more but would be glad if someone could.
     
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  6. mayserwegener

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    Wolfgang, It's possible the paper spacers were added at a later time. I am pretty sure the hat was made by one of the factories in what became post WWII East Germany but it's common not to have a company mark even with a paper label. This one is similar. No paper label and no company mark. I have other examples.

    https://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/topic/386-corona-deutsche-wertarbeit-german-quality/
     
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    Hi ErWeSa. Thanks for your post. Nce to hear from you. Your assessment fits with my thoughts on Matt's hat. It is a great find and one that has got our juices flowing. It's one of those finds that just keep us wanting to find out more. Hope Matt can decipher some of the lettering.

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  8. ErWeSa

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    Haven't posted for a while, as I'm not really a new media-man and had difficulties after the photoshop-desaster to find a way how to post pictures here, but it seems I succeeded at last.

    Talking of flea-market hats, I found this nice Blum (which in reality is a Dermotta) for very little money (don't even dare to say how cheap it was) at a flea market where I live. There had not been any hats for years at this once good source for hats and I had given up hope to find one but last time I found three top hats - the silken, non collapsible ones, and this beauty which were such a bargain that I had to take/save them (they lay there in a heap, so that the toppers already had dents, what a pity!). Yet, this is something that happens only every 30 years (to me at least). Sorry for the Lock-topper which doesn' fit into this thread.

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    Super finds and well saved. Who couldn't resist taking those beauties home. No need to apologize for the Lock & Co, I enjoyed seeing it [emoji4] [emoji145]

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    Thank you, Manfred. Good to hear from you. Likewise for you and yours!
     
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    Nice finds ErWeSa. Sometime the luck is on the right place.
    Thanks for the wisches, Steve, Steve and Stefan.



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  12. mayserwegener

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    Wolfgang, Thank you for posting your finds! Dermotta made really great hats. Also super Top Hats. I wish good luck Flea Market hunting in 2020!
     
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    J. Hückel´s Söhne "Plume", 56 cm, 136 grams, possibly late 1930s. Great felt finish and the condition is excellent.

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  14. Mean Eyed Matt

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    Nice Bowler, Steve!
    The DRGM stamp is interesting - leads us to pre 1945.
    Even though you can of course date well with your knowledge anyway.
     
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    Matt, Yes I forgot to point that out. I haven't seen D.R.G.M. before on a JHS hat so it points to late 1930s early 1940s.
     
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    Here is the closeup, Steve: difficult to focus everything!
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    For comparison: this is what I suspect/guess!
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    Let's start the guessing game, guys! :D
     
  17. Rmccamey

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    Oh my, you are killin' me, man! You come up with some of the most interesting and historical hats. Thanks for sharing. This Huckel is wonderful.

     
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    Above all, I am always fascinated by the magnificent condition of the hats you are presenting to us here, Steve!
     
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    Okay, Matt, I'll start with the easy one: Giessen is a well known town in central Germany, so not East Germany.

    If it's before the war or during, as it surely is, there was no East Germany, nor an Eastern Europe as in our modern perspective of East and West.
    If it was made outside of Germany, I don't believe it would say Deutsche Werkarbeit, unless it was made in Austria, Poland, or Czechoslovakia after the German invasion.
    So, imo, the evidence points toward a possible German hat maker, or a Czech, Austrian, or Polish one. But which one? Probably a long lost forgotten one.

    Just my two pfennigs worth [emoji145]

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  20. Mean Eyed Matt

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    Thank you, Steve, for "getting on board". ;)
    You're right, of course:
    Giessen (or rather Gießen) is a town in central Hessen - about 60 km west of Lauterbach, the location of Wegener!
    But I have to admit that this is more guesswork than reading what I marked. So no guarantee that it is true.
    According to the assumption that it is a product from one of the no name manufacturers in Brandenburg/Saxony/etc.
    - the later East Germany - I also tried several times to read "Guben" instead of "Giessen": without success!
    Maybe somebody else has a brilliant idea what it says?

    Furthermore I have the impression that this is not the stamp/brand of the manufacturer.
    Normally it would not have the "official" eagle on it, I would think.
    The stamp of the manufacturer might have been on the crown patch!?
    It's also hard to imagine that this is the stamp of the seller/hat shop - behind the sweatband?

    I rather thought (even before taking a closer look) that it is some kind of inspection stamp or something similar.
    Maybe something like "customs office Giessen"...!? But even that is only a guess.

    But in any case we agree that the hat was made before 1945.
    And in the area, which was then - whenever exactly - "Germany".
    Otherwise the "German workmanship" doesn't make sense...

    I'm curious if we or anyone else will solve the mystery.
    I have now sent the stamp to friends - either it gives some information,
    or Steve has a brilliant idea with the dating around 1930 and a manufacturer.
    We'll see... Or maybe not. :D

    And I'm happy to be able to share the mystery with you.
     
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