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moehawk

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A friend recently asked me to keep an eye out for a nice velour for her to wear. This "Franker Wien" came up on ebay cheap so I grabbed it, not only to do my friend a favor but also just so I could check out a Fraenkel.
I I know this isn't the usual type of hat we tend to get excited about here at the FL, but for the sake of documentation, here it is.
It was pretty bent up when it arrived. It looked like it had spent a lot of time smashed lengthwise in a box or something. It took a bit of work to straighten it out. The sweatband was also quite dry, but responded well to a lot of Lexol. The thin, soft liner tip protector was ripped, so I pulled it out for a better pic of the liner tip crest.

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The discoloration on the sweatband stamp is just the lighting. Some pics in sunlight.

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The crown is about 4 1/2" and the brim 1 3/4". It is no lightweight at 147g. The velour is shorn very short but very thick and soft. My guess on the date is late 60's. Although made to be a man's, hat I think this will look much better on a woman. Hope she likes it! :)
 

Steve1857

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A friend recently asked me to keep an eye out for a nice velour for her to wear. This "Franker Wien" came up on ebay cheap so I grabbed it, not only to do my friend a favor but also just so I could check out a Fraenkel.
I I know this isn't the usual type of hat we tend to get excited about here at the FL, but for the sake of documentation, here it is.
It was pretty bent up when it arrived. It looked like it had spent a lot of time smashed lengthwise in a box or something. It took a bit of work to straighten it out. The sweatband was also quite dry, but responded well to a lot of Lexol. The thin, soft liner tip protector was ripped, so I pulled it out for a better pic of the liner tip crest.

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The discoloration on the sweatband stamp is just the lighting. Some pics in sunlight.

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The crown is about 4 1/2" and the brim 1 3/4". It is no lightweight at 147g. The velour is shorn very short but very thick and soft. My guess on the date is late 60's. Although made to be a man's, hat I think this will look much better on a woman. Hope she likes it! :)
Nice find, John. I'm sure your friend will appreciate it and look good in it.

Trachtens are not to be sniffed at.
 
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Nice find, John. I'm sure your friend will appreciate it and look good in it.

Trachtens are not to be sniffed at.
Thanks Steve!
I agree about not sniffing trachtens. You think you're strong enough that you can do just one, but then before you know it you're out on the webs at all hours searching for Crystal velours.
Have to disagree here: I like to take a sniff at every hat I find! How else can I satisfy my cappellolfactophilia?:D
 
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A friend recently asked me to keep an eye out for a nice velour for her to wear. This "Franker Wien" came up on ebay cheap so I grabbed it, not only to do my friend a favor but also just so I could check out a Fraenkel.
I I know this isn't the usual type of hat we tend to get excited about here at the FL, but for the sake of documentation, here it is.
It was pretty bent up when it arrived. It looked like it had spent a lot of time smashed lengthwise in a box or something. It took a bit of work to straighten it out. The sweatband was also quite dry, but responded well to a lot of Lexol. The thin, soft liner tip protector was ripped, so I pulled it out for a better pic of the liner tip crest.

View attachment 412329
View attachment 412330 View attachment 412331
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The discoloration on the sweatband stamp is just the lighting. Some pics in sunlight.

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View attachment 412336 View attachment 412337

The crown is about 4 1/2" and the brim 1 3/4". It is no lightweight at 147g. The velour is shorn very short but very thick and soft. My guess on the date is late 60's. Although made to be a man's, hat I think this will look much better on a woman. Hope she likes it! :)
John, Great find! I have a good amount of info on Ebreichsdorfer Filzhutfabrik - S. & J. Fraenkel Wien.

 
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Pretty exciting find for me - sourced locally in New Zealand, a P.C Habig sold in the Polish market. Tagged as a 56 but fits loose so perfect for my 57.5 head!

My feeling is towards 30s/40s. Unfortunately can't make out the stamp on the sweat. View attachment 412944 View attachment 412945 View attachment 412946 View attachment 412947 View attachment 412948 View attachment 412949 View attachment 412950
Wayne, Really fantastic find! Very rare to find a 1930s or older P. & C. Habig Wien Velour. My guess is the 05 could be 1935. I base this on some other 1930s P. & C. Habig Wien Hats that don't have the complete year but it's only a guess. Also Warsaw was severally damaged in WWII and communist post WWII.
 
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Pretty exciting find for me - sourced locally in New Zealand, a P.C Habig sold in the Polish market. Tagged as a 56 but fits loose so perfect for my 57.5 head!

My feeling is towards 30s/40s. Unfortunately can't make out the stamp on the sweat. View attachment 412944 View attachment 412945 View attachment 412946 View attachment 412947 View attachment 412948 View attachment 412949 View attachment 412950
That's a great find, Wayne. The numbers had me thinking it would be 1944: 11344 could be 11th march 1944 maybe?
 
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That's a great find, Wayne. The numbers had me thinking it would be 1944: 11344 could be 11th march 1944 maybe?
Stefan, There most likely wasn't production / shipments at that time. Also Warsaw was severally damaged. I have some ideas regarding the P. & C. Habig Wien labels that don't have a production year. I mentioned something about them but I need to go back see what I posted and follow up.
 

the_imperialist

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Thanks gents - reaffirming to see both strands of thought which went through my head. The 11 March 1944 certainly was something I considered, but I haven't found much evidence one way or the other. From a more contextual perspective, Steve's thesis around the geopolitical situation was pushing me a bit earlier - hence my splitting the difference.

Look forward to any further detail on Habig labels you may dig up Steve - I've certainly reviewed your website for clues upon recieving this.
 
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Thanks gents - reaffirming to see both strands of thought which went through my head. The 11 March 1944 certainly was something I considered, but I haven't found much evidence one way or the other. From a more contextual perspective, Steve's thesis around the geopolitical situation was pushing me a bit earlier - hence my splitting the difference.

Look forward to any further detail on Habig labels you may dig up Steve - I've certaining reviewed your website for clues upon recieving this.
Wayne,

I haven't been able to find any information on the Seller. The Street name appears to have not have survived WWII. I will continue to check.

I have this P. & C. Habig Wien historical info.

"At the beginning of World War II, the company production was reduced to a minimum due to the scarcity of raw materials and the lack of workers.

After the end of World War II P. and C. Habig were among the first to start manufacturing hats made from old stock, selling them in exchange for ration cards and clothing cards. The main business activity back then, which was an important factor in keeping the company afloat, was the mending of old hats."

I actually have a date stamped P. & C. Habig Wien Soft Felt with a 11/29/40 Date Stamp that has /40 on the paper label.

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I will put together a report on WWII Era and earlier Paper Labels. Luckily there are some date stamps.
 
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Ludwig Skrivanek Graz, Hutfabrikation, measures 58.5 cm, possibly 1930s. The Black Fur Felt has a nice Smooth Finish. It has a lower profile which is pleasing. Appears that the Sweatband was stitched back in at a later time. I have one other Stiff Felt from Ludwig Skrivanek Graz, Hutfabrikation. I wasn't able to find any information on Ludwig Skrivanek Graz, Hutfabrikation production capabilities. I tend to think they sourced the entire Stiff Felt. I was told by the Seller that this Stiff Felt belonged to her great uncle who was the owner of the first bandage company in Germany, F. & C. Achenbach Frankfurt am Main (founded 1882) but the company didn't survive WWII.

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Steve1857

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Ludwig Skrivanek Graz, Hutfabrikation, measures 58.5 cm, possibly 1930s. The Black Fur Felt has a nice Smooth Finish. It has a lower profile which is pleasing. Appears that the Sweatband was stitched back in at a later time. I have one other Stiff Felt from Ludwig Skrivanek Graz, Hutfabrikation. I wasn't able to find any information on Ludwig Skrivanek Graz, Hutfabrikation production capabilities. I tend to think they sourced the entire Stiff Felt. I was told by the Seller that this Stiff Felt belonged to her great uncle who was the owner of the first bandage company in Germany, F. & C. Achenbach Frankfurt am Main (founded 1882) but the company didn't survive WWII.

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Natural Light

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Wonderful find, Steve. Great looking liner and interesting sweatband. Usually see white leather sweats on formal top hats.

Looks excellent on you.
 
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