Is the vintage hat market dead?

Discussion in 'Hats' started by Chiliarches, Aug 29, 2021.


  1. I’ll support you as the supreme arbiter of all hat definitions. Three days in the stocks in the public square for failure to adhere!
     
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  2. Frunobulax

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    If nominated, I will not run; If elected, I shall not serve. :p
     
  3. Rmccamey

    Rmccamey My Mail is Forwarded Here

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    A most excellent observation, Gary! As a measure of positive impact, information on TFL and generous mentoring of many members here has improved the quality of my hats exponentially (both modern and vintage). By extension, I am much more in touch with the history of the hats I own, much more appreciative of hats and builders, and much more discerning and knowledgeable about the hats I look to purchase. I don't know what the future holds but TFL is the most inviting and welcoming forum I've come across and I'm glad to be part of the membership. We have some great hat makers across the globe and, while they don't have access to a lot of vintage felt, they are keeping history alive by crafting wonderful hats. It's a good time to be a hat collector and a hat wearer :)
     
  4. Louis Mountbatten

    Louis Mountbatten One of the Regulars

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    My personal definition is anything between 50 and 70 years old or so is "vintage." Before than is antique. Anything newer is just a hat as far as dates go. :)
     
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  5. But you will cash the paycheck, right? ;)
     
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  6. This is being delivered this week:

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    There’s a good market for vintage hats, but not as many showing up. When they do show up you need to move fast and/or be willing to pay top dollar.
     
  7. belfastboy

    belfastboy I'll Lock Up

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    I am walking around the house today wearing my Gus Miller Batsakes hat trying to get the vinegar smell out of it. My wife asked about the hat and I said it was a 'vintage' custom made by the oldest custom hatter in America. She looked at me, smiled....and replied...."He probably isn't that much older than you so you could be the second oldest!" Does that make me 'vintage'?
     
  8. Frunobulax

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    Nah, donating it all to St. Alphonso's pancake breakfast.

    There's enough in the graft and corruption alone to keep me going.

    That is so sweet, Brent. I can only imagine the felt. A pre-Stetson Mallory is a great find.

    I think most of us are.
     
  9. The Shoe

    The Shoe Practically Family

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    Thank you, Eric, always, for your kind words.
    But a little frivolity is no bad thing. We should all indulge in it from time to time!

    Gary
     
  10. glider

    glider One of the Regulars

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    Vintage, when used in this context, must be more than 20 years old and usually refers to something from the 20s and 30s. Retro and vintage are often confused. There are vintage hats and retro hats which actually would be most hats produced today. I don't know of any hat style that couldn't be refereed to as retro since for the most part they are copies of vintage hats .
     
  11. belfastboy

    belfastboy I'll Lock Up

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    So a fedora from the year 2000 could be correctly referred to as 'vintage'?
     
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  12. I thought the same. I have no problem with it being described as a “2000 vintage,” or something similar, but plain vintage just doesn’t seem right. If the exact same hat that is indistinguishable from the “vintage” hat is still being made then I won’t use that term to describe the older hat. However, a 1980s Stetson 4X Beaver Open Road is vintage to me since it’s no longer being made. It’s still not a “great vintage” or a vintage when felt like was high quality, but to my way of thinking it is vintage.
     
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  13. Frunobulax

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    Yup
     
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  14. suitedcboy

    suitedcboy One Too Many

    If AARP sends it offers it is vintage (typed as I look at AARP and other "senior mail" I weeded out of Saturday's mail stack).
     
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  15. glider

    glider One of the Regulars

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    Hey, I'm just giving the definition, I don't necessarily agree either but them is the facts folks. And the word can be a noun or an adjective, when speaking about wine it is a noun.
     
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  16. RJ and Parkins

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    I couldn't disagree more. In the last year I have purchased around 60 vintage hats and they are superior in every way to my new hats. It is well known among serious hat collectors that vintage felt is superior to today factory felts. I will never own a new factor felt hat after experiencing vintage. Vintage Felt rules! Peace.
     
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  17. belfastboy

    belfastboy I'll Lock Up

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    What size are you? Are you in the vintage hat 'sweet spot' of sizing'? For us in the 7 1/2" + our pickins' tend to be slim and I lack the patience for the hunt for the 'black truffles of hatting'. So I gravitate towards the custom market with a goodly selection of decent felts that may not equal the feel of a vintage Borsa, they can come close and so much better than the 'off the rack' modern offerings. I do have Stetson Excellent quality in beaver from 2015 or so and it is a Yeti of modern hats......a great felt.
     
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  18. RJ and Parkins

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    Im a 7 1/4 in the vintage felt. So, yes I do have a much better selection thats for sure. I also broker hats for guys who do not have the time to search out that special vintage brim. I agree, the larger sizes are much harder to come by. Im on ebay and etsy every day keeping my finger on the pulse. Owning a vintage hat to me is like owning a piece of Americana from an era when just about everything was made better.
     
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  19. I have some modern custom hats that will give vintage hats a run. I also bought a modern Stetson a few years back that was a revelation! The now discontinued Stetson New York LE in phantom grey has thin dense felt that by feel alone I’d swear was 70 years old. It still has all the poor build quality issues of modern Stetsons, but I had no idea it was possible to even still make felt like that. I also have the same hat in tobacco brown that is nice, but not as amazing as the grey.
     
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  20. mayserwegener

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    Long live Vintage / Antique Hats! No Felt like this today.

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