Howdy all I've been lurking around the site for awhile but I think this is my first post. Thanks for all the interesting discussions and info. It's been a real help as I study about the different options that exhist out in world of custome leather jackets. If you'll indulge me, I'd like to get some opinions... So after a few years of desiring a langlitz jacket I'm in the process of ordering one. I've always wanted a custom bike jacket that fits me well. None off the rack ever have worked out for me and I finally saved up my nickels! I'm going to ride in this jacket but also wear it casually. I like a snug fit. Style wise I'm going with a Columbia jacket but with a Cossack collar and no belt. Trying the ride the line between bike and clean without also being too simple. I've studied the Japanese site in detail and everything I could find on this site. Talked some to the langlitz crew. Originally I was sold on the idea of goat for the leather - I like the idea of it being tough and light weight. But as I look at the jackets I really like online I am realizing I dig the glossy look of the steer jackets and the appearance that they have a bit of structure. My worry is that the goat jacket might be a little floppy. I guess you could say I'm trying to figure out the difference in how the two different skins will drape. I have a buddies cascade in goat on loan - it is a larger size than I need and it's hard to tell if it's softish structure comes from the hide or the fact that is really baggy on me. At the same time - If I go with the steer - I don't want my jacket to stand up in the corner by itself forever. Nor do I want a jacket so heavy I'll not want to wear it of the bike. Descisons desicions. Anybody have some first hand experience with both? I realize it's all a little relative to personal taste but as I can't get to the store - I'd love to hear those who have these jacket's thoughts. Either way I promise to post up my experience and let you know how it turns out Thanks!