Never see that on Schott

Discussion in 'Outerwear' started by leolou, Oct 13, 2019.

  1. leolou

    leolou New in Town

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    Hi everybody,
    I buy a long time ago this Schott with hand cut on the label ??
    And today I found there are parts of that jacket in vinyl inside the zipper arms and inside the jacket on the back(red sign).
    Have you ever see that ? All the stitch’s around looks original !
    Do have any ideas of that or have you see that ?
    The leather is great someone take of the stars on the shoulders.
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  2. Carlos840

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    Yep, its normal, they did that in the 70s quite a bit.
    I have a Schott 602 that has the bottom hem lined in vinyl, i know they also did it on the lower end perfectos (cycle riders tag maybe?)
    I don't know the timeline of it, but i have seen it before.

    Apparently the late 40s perfecto had that too:

    Late 1940's - The 613 One Star is introduced. Jackets are made out of horsehide. Neck label is rectangular, black with Perfecto App U.S Pat ??? Genuine Horsehide Front Quarter - Style Quality printed in gold letters. TALON main and cuff zippers and 'Miter' belt buckle. Zipper pulls in the shape of a ring. Side pockets are at an approx. 60° angle and breast pocket at a 50° angle, zippers close up. Jackets have snaps for attaching fur collar, no snaps on collar, plain snaps, sleeves are double stitched, epaulettes are also double stitched and have a rounded end. Stitching on collar is placed further in than it is on lapels. Lining is black with grid stitching. Straight lower back panel and underside of sleeves are one piece. Inner lower facing and sleeve placates are made out of faux leather/vinyl.

    Source: https://www.schottnyc.com/forum/posts/schott_perfecto_timeline.htm

    @ksozay will probably know, he has a collection of perfectos.

    Here is my Schott with a vinyl bottom hem lining:

    https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/schott-602-police-jacket.96133/
     
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  3. leolou

    leolou New in Town

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    Thank you Carlos,but why they do that ?
    The vinyl is a very good quality.


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  4. Carlos840

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    Only reason i can think of is cost cutting measure, or they thought the vinyl would be more resistent than leather for that specific use.
    If you look at the pictures on my jacket, they did it in the area that was rubbing on the duty belt.
    Maybe vinyl resists better than leather when it is rubbing on a gun and handcuffs.
    Maybe its just cheaper... Only Schott knows.
     
  5. Monitor

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    What @Carlos840 said, though I've never seen one that had vinyl utilized to this extent. Mine had vinyl inner facing and a patch pocket.

    Curiously enough, none of the Dur*O*Jac Perfectos that I've seen had faux leather bits.
     
  6. nick123

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    I guess Buco did it too, but still!
     
  7. Doctor Damage

    Doctor Damage My Mail is Forwarded Here

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    I wonder if this jacket is the "missing link" between when Schott used to sew the belt in the correct position and nowadays when they sew it in too high. In the photo below they got the left-hand belt sewn in okay, but the right-hand belt is too high (and today they sew it in even higher).

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  8. leolou

    leolou New in Town

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    Good eyes !
    I will see that tomorrow


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  9. Fortehus

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    I will be very disappointed with that flaw


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  10. Carlos840

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    That's classic Schott attention to detail...
    Of all the jackets i own, my three Schotts are the ones with the poorest stitching and the most obvious flaws.
    Every jacket has at least 3 obvious flaws, which is the highest of all the brands i own.
    I would expect something like that from a Schott jacket.
     
  11. Seb Lucas

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    I've only owned three Schott jackets myself but they were among the best made jackets I have owned. Perfect stitching and general manufacture. I'm just not wild about their designs. And their past use of vinyl revolts me.

    The worst made jackets I have even owned are by Brooks and they are also my favorite jackets - best patterns and most character. But errant stitching, misaligned zips, shoddy lining, bland leather etc.
     
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