Now and Then

Discussion in 'The Observation Bar' started by Mycroft, Mar 9, 2005.

  1. Mycroft

    Mycroft One Too Many

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    I got thinking today and I was thinking of things that were tolerated in the Golden Era then today and Visa-Versa. Here it goes:

    Back Then:
    Smoking
    Drinking
    Polution
    Segregation
    Mistreatment of Women
    Racism(especially against African-Americans)
    Anti-Semitism

    Now:
    Homosexulaity
    Freedom for all religons
    Equality for all
    Equal opertunity for women

    Coment, question, or contribute, if you wish.
     
  2. BellyTank

    BellyTank I'll Lock Up

    The "Then" list is more like bad stuff that was happening openly and the "Now" list is a list of things that we hope should be widely accepted concepts but are just ideals not yet reached- none of the "Nows" are realised yet.

    BT.
     
  3. Mycroft

    Mycroft One Too Many

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    Very true.
     
  4. Brad A. Cox

    Brad A. Cox Familiar Face

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    It's funny but a person actually was safer walking down the street after midnight during the golden era days. What's right and what's wrong with that picture. You used to hang for murder back then too. Now you can openly act crazy, plan a murder, and then song and dance in court to a crazy beat and waltz into a padded cell at the local asylum(country club). Even freedom has it's dark side. Now you can openly smoke pot in some cities and maybe recieve a twenty dollar fine. :cool2:
     
  5. Canadave

    Canadave One Too Many

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    I think your lists are invalid and poorly thought out. A few examples...

    *Ask a homosexual who is the victim of gay-bashing how that tolerance is going.
    *Freedom for all religions? Do you listen to right-wing radio or read the newspaper?
    *Women still make about 70% of what men do in the same jobs.

    What was your point in compiling this list?

    David
     
  6. BellyTank

    BellyTank I'll Lock Up

    Exactament!

    BT.
     
  7. Mycroft

    Mycroft One Too Many

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    You are right, it was a wrong, very genrlized list.
     
  8. SappySwami

    SappySwami Familiar Face

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    And this is all very in the eyes of the beholder. For instance, I'm on the other side from Brad, and hoping someday we wont execute anyone. So you can see how this goes.

    By the way, pot was legal in this country in the Golden Era. Even while Alcohol wasn't.
    :beer:
     
  9. Andykev

    Andykev I'll Lock Up Bartender

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    You lit my fire on this. It is not personal.

    So what do you do with the deranged suspect in Atlanta who while facing conviction for his violent crime, overpowers a female sheriff's deputy, storms into the courtroom (instead of simply escaping to freedom), cold bloodly shoots a judge, the court reporter, and then another sheriff's deputy who is attepting to stop him?

    Then the ******* carjacks a couple of people, wacks a guy on the head, launches a full scale dragnet of State, Federal, and Local Law Enforcement Agencies, becomes the "top story" on National News...and now has sought out and murdered another person.

    I'm sorry. I DO NOT agree that this scum should ever, ever, be spared the death penalty. You want this POS to sit in prison for life at the taxpayer's expense, clogging the legal system with endless appeals?

    That is what is wrong with America. No JUSTICE. I am HOT mad at this incident. I believe that life is absolutely precious. I am against abortion, murder, child molest, abuse of any kind. But mad dogs must be put down.

    I understand your point. Really, I do. I also respect your point.

    I just disagree, which is my right. Remember the families of the VICTIMS. Where is their closure and their JUSTICE?
     
  10. Brad A. Cox

    Brad A. Cox Familiar Face

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    I didn't know Pot was legal during the golden era. Society is so loose these days that it is a weird thing that it was legal then. Society and America's laws give and take too much. Execute the killer or let him skate the legal system. Both ways someone has died or will in the future. Maybe there will be a new murder or the killer will reform himself into a preacher or a saint. But will that person kill again? Maybe a mass killing. What if his next target is you? Chilly thought isn't it? You could be hanging out with your chums at the local pub and one of your chums leaves and kills someone later that night. I have been through this five years ago. One of the guys open fired on a guy for accidently hitting the back of his pickup truck. Then he killed anyone that stopped to help. He killed five in all. His day job was a drug rehab counciler and killed them all during a drug high. Never seen that one coming. :cool2:
     
  11. SappySwami

    SappySwami Familiar Face

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    Don't want to steer this topic off course too much..

    I see you're point Andy. But I hold all life sacred, even that of a killer. It may seem a contradiction, but to have qualifications on compassion is also a contradiction... Anyway, I don't think we should let killers run around doing what they like of course, but as long as they aren't able to hurt other people, and remain themselves unhurt, I think that is the best situation. It costs, if I remember, three times as much to have people on death row, because of the special appeals they are allowed. It would be cheaper in the long run to not have them on death row. (If I'm right, I'll have to look into that later.)

    Brad, that situation is horrible for sure, but the death penalty doesn't stop things like that from happening. It is used on such people for retribution, and that is ultimately what I'm against, for my own reasons.
     

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