-
The Fedora Lounge is supported in part by commission earning affiliate links sitewide. Please support us by using them. You may learn more here.
Old photograph found in Top Hat
- Thread starter LordBest
- Start date
Paisley
I'll Lock Up
- Messages
- 5,413
- Location
- Indianapolis
For action photography, you have to shoot no slower than 1/250 sec. I don't think they had that fast a shutter speed in 1900. Perhaps the 20s or 30s?
Miss Neecerie
I'll Lock Up
- Messages
- 6,607
- Location
- The land of Sinatra, Hoboken
Well....-possible- years for this include..using http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/index.html?year=1939&country=8
1923, 1928, 1934, 1945
My -personal- vote is for 45.....because I -really- think the print in the left corner of the picture is Cyrillic alphabet, although when i try to enlarge it, it gets blurry so i can't -read- what it says....
1951 would be the next year in which June 3rd fell on a Sunday....looks way too early for that time frame...although its a -folk peoples- calendar so who knows...
1923, 1928, 1934, 1945
My -personal- vote is for 45.....because I -really- think the print in the left corner of the picture is Cyrillic alphabet, although when i try to enlarge it, it gets blurry so i can't -read- what it says....
1951 would be the next year in which June 3rd fell on a Sunday....looks way too early for that time frame...although its a -folk peoples- calendar so who knows...
Miss Neecerie
I'll Lock Up
- Messages
- 6,607
- Location
- The land of Sinatra, Hoboken
Eyemo said:
actually...this works if you add photographer.
Very very likely candidate....
http://www.amazon.com/Pictures-Rhine-Erich-Bauer/dp/B0012DPFZY
H.Johnson
One Too Many
- Messages
- 1,562
- Location
- Midlands, UK
Paisley said:
That's why they used to pose shots as if they were action shots...
Featured products
-
John Lofgren Monkey Boots Shinki Horsebuttt - $1,136 The classic monkey boot silhouette in an incredibly rich Shinki russet horse leather. -
Grant Stone Diesel Boot Dark Olive Chromexcel - $395 Goodyear welted, Horween Chromexcel, classic good looks. -
Schott 568 Vandals Jacket - $1,250 The classic Perfecto motorcycle jacket, in a very special limited-edition Schott double rider style.
feltfan
My Mail is Forwarded Here
- Messages
- 3,189
- Location
- Oakland, CA, USA
Remember that the picture could have been slipped under
the sweatband any time in the history of the hat. So if you
date it to 1945, that doesn't mean the hat dates from that year.
What I find fascinating is that someone thought to put a
picture of working farmers in traditional work clothes inside
his top hat. Staying true to his roots? Champagne communist?
Interesting.
the sweatband any time in the history of the hat. So if you
date it to 1945, that doesn't mean the hat dates from that year.
What I find fascinating is that someone thought to put a
picture of working farmers in traditional work clothes inside
his top hat. Staying true to his roots? Champagne communist?
Interesting.
Paisley
I'll Lock Up
- Messages
- 5,413
- Location
- Indianapolis
H.Johnson said:
It doesn't look like a posed shot to me. The boy has a load on his pitchfork and the girl's scarf and skirt are in motion, not hanging limp.
***
Is anything written on the back of the photo?
Fletch
I'll Lock Up
- Messages
- 8,848
- Location
- Iowa - The Land That Stuff Forgot
The "Cyrillic" word isn't. I read it as Heuernte, which my German/English dictionary translates as "hay harvest."
One thing about German ephemera: you can't always tell how old it is thru typography. They led the world in modern type design. Futura, used in the calendar boxes, was designed by Paul Renner of Munich in 1928, and has never been out of use since.
One thing about German ephemera: you can't always tell how old it is thru typography. They led the world in modern type design. Futura, used in the calendar boxes, was designed by Paul Renner of Munich in 1928, and has never been out of use since.
H.Johnson
One Too Many
- Messages
- 1,562
- Location
- Midlands, UK
I think that dates it to post 1928, which is consistent with the dress. Action or posed, my 1932 Rolleiflex would take a photograph very like that with ease. The 1925 Leica had a 1/500 shutter!
I'd go for 1928 or 1934 based on the above Loungers' information.
I'd go for 1928 or 1934 based on the above Loungers' information.
dhermann1
I'll Lock Up
- Messages
- 9,132
- Location
- Da Bronx, NY, USA
This should go in the same display case as the 1940 movie tickets in my Stetson homburg.
My inclination is towards the 1934 date. Using overstretched logic, I wonder if the theme reflects the Germany's WWII-era leadership ear romanticization of folk culture. Also, the owner may have had the picture in there because of the calendar, rather than the picture. The picture reminds me a lot of some of the Samuel Chamberlain pics of New England of the 30's and 40's. But you could also compare it with depression era photographers like Margaret Bourke White.
Very cool, regardless.
Edit: Google produced nothing, except it made me wonder if this is necessarily German. Could it either be Danish or Norwegian?
I also wonder about the provenance of the hat itself. How did it get from Europe to Australia? If it was bought in a vintage shop, of course, it will likely remain a mysery.
My inclination is towards the 1934 date. Using overstretched logic, I wonder if the theme reflects the Germany's WWII-era leadership ear romanticization of folk culture. Also, the owner may have had the picture in there because of the calendar, rather than the picture. The picture reminds me a lot of some of the Samuel Chamberlain pics of New England of the 30's and 40's. But you could also compare it with depression era photographers like Margaret Bourke White.
Very cool, regardless.
Edit: Google produced nothing, except it made me wonder if this is necessarily German. Could it either be Danish or Norwegian?
I also wonder about the provenance of the hat itself. How did it get from Europe to Australia? If it was bought in a vintage shop, of course, it will likely remain a mysery.
Paisley
I'll Lock Up
- Messages
- 5,413
- Location
- Indianapolis
I don't speak German, but isn't "tag" their word for "day"? Maybe someone should PM Naama (who is Austrian) or Lillemor (Danish).
Miss Neecerie
I'll Lock Up
- Messages
- 6,607
- Location
- The land of Sinatra, Hoboken
yes...its a calender with the days of the week
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_the_week
scroll down to see the languages and days...german is most of the way down
Sonntag being sunday...which is how i looked up years....June 3rd as a sunday
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_the_week
scroll down to see the languages and days...german is most of the way down
Sonntag being sunday...which is how i looked up years....June 3rd as a sunday
Luke 42
One of the Regulars
- Messages
- 125
- Location
- Bonn, Germany
Paisley said:
"Tag" indeed means "day" in German. Also "Heuernte" is printed in the left corner, which means " hay harvest", as someone above my post stated correctly.
Edit: I did a search for the photgrapher in german: It seems to be that Erich Bauer was born in Karlsruhe in 1908. I am pretty sure that this is the photographer mentioned..seems to be rather famous. But as he was being born in 1908, that picture is most likely not from before 1925 or so..
Luke 42 said:
The picture may have been taken in the 30's or 40's (or whenever), but judging by the look of the paper my guess the page itself was printed as late as the 1970's (the dates coincide for 1973 and 1979). But, who knows ... [huh]
dhermann1
I'll Lock Up
- Messages
- 9,132
- Location
- Da Bronx, NY, USA
70's
That's not impossible. Good point about the paper. Would a calendar from the 30's have been printed with the title at the lower left and "photo: Eric Bauer" in the lower right corner? That seems a more recent innovation.
Calling Vintage Betty!!!
That's not impossible. Good point about the paper. Would a calendar from the 30's have been printed with the title at the lower left and "photo: Eric Bauer" in the lower right corner? That seems a more recent innovation.
Calling Vintage Betty!!!
The hat certainly predates the photo significantly. There was actually a considerable cork lining with this picture between the hat and the cork, it seems someone with a smaller head than the hat was intended for adapted it for his use at some point.
There is nothing written on the back. I bought the hat from a German seller on eBay, no real mystery how it reached Australia there.
There is nothing written on the back. I bought the hat from a German seller on eBay, no real mystery how it reached Australia there.
feltfan
My Mail is Forwarded Here
- Messages
- 3,189
- Location
- Oakland, CA, USA
Now there is a clue. In German it would be "foto", would it not?dhermann1 said:
So I'd say it dates to at least post WWII, when the American
influence was stronger in West Germany.
Luke 42
One of the Regulars
- Messages
- 125
- Location
- Bonn, Germany
feltfan said:
No, sorry thats not a clue
Before around 2000 or so, the german spelling for photo was photo! It changed to "foto" at that time due to some spelling reforms. So "photo" is just the old spelling in german.
feltfan
My Mail is Forwarded Here
- Messages
- 3,189
- Location
- Oakland, CA, USA
Ha! Good catch. I am certainly no expert there.Luke 42 said:No, sorry thats not a clue
