Owners of U.S. Authentic / flightjacket.com A-2 jacket owners please help.

Discussion in 'Outerwear' started by atkins, Sep 5, 2007.

  1. atkins

    atkins Familiar Face

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    May i have your description on your U.S.Authentic A-2 collar? To me it doesnt have stand-so-boldly- robust Mc ARTHURian A-2 collar type. From pictures i examined I'm under the impression that their collar appears to lay flat even it were snap down. And also it lookS too tiny compare to other replicas with collar stand. I haven't any A-2 to compare. I hope you gents owner of US AUTHENTIC A-2 JACKET can help me on this collar query.

    I asked this help because i'm in a hunt for a limited budget life-time A-2 jacket.US A' almost have all the qualities i need. The only one more thing to consider is their collar design. In short, should i have a custom collar job from US. Authentic to get the huge clown collar?

    Regards,
    Atkins
     
  2. The Wingnut

    The Wingnut One Too Many

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    Mine stands at attention, mainly because I usually flip it up in the back Robert S. Johnson style. The collar stand seems to work fine.

    U.S.A's horsehide is THICK. As a result, you don't get the sharp creases that other jackets do at the collar break. They wear like iron, though.

    If I were to do it again I'd have saved for a few more months and got a McCoy's. The U.S.A is a great buy for the price, though.
     
  3. SamReu

    SamReu One of the Regulars

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    Spokes Man

    Atkins, I have a US A A-2, the russet horsehide, and the collar, as Wingnut noted, stands at attention. I've never doubted that the jacket had a collar stand. And, as Wingnut also observed, the jacket has thick leather; I'm reminded of an aged biker's jacket, the leather is so tough.
    And, I hate to keep parroting Wingnut, but I have to second his advice about saving your bucks for a slightly pricier jacket. I am thinking of upgrading, meaning I may eBay the US A.
    Then again, I may keep it in the garage for the really rough chores...
     
  4. ldmax

    ldmax Familiar Face

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    Collar Stand

    I have a US A goatskin A-2. It very definitely has a collar stand. A 3/8" separate piece of leather between the body of the jacket and the collar. It also has it's own cotton lining on the inside. The collar stands up nicely when snapped even with the goatskin. It does spread out almost flat when unsnapped.

    LD
     
  5. Swoosed

    Swoosed One of the Regulars

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    I dont know doo squat about a mcarthur coller but heres some pics of mine.

    us authentic, eastman and aero.

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    US authentic with snap closed, HH model.

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    eastman with collar un snapped, HH house model

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    Aero collar, real deal HH model

    The eastman is my personal fav. fit wise. Awesome jacket. The USA is much thicker and heavier. the Aero didn't fit right, so it's gone. The eastman and Aero were veg tanned so the lighter undertones / patina came out nicely. the USA is chrome tanned, black undertone when it wears, not what I like personally. I use the USA when the weather gets too cold for the eastman but not cold enough for the B-3.

    cheers
     
  6. Fletch

    Fletch I'll Lock Up

    You sure about that 3/8"? The stand on my US-A goat is 3/4" wide. The collar is 3 1/2" long at the points and 2 1/4" high in back.

    All in all the US-A fit and cut remind me a whole lot of my Willis & Geiger A-2. Even the spec tags are nearly alike.
     
  7. Doctor Strange

    Doctor Strange I'll Lock Up

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    That's not surprising: I seem to recall reading on one of these forums that Willis & Geiger subcontracted A-2s from US A.

    I didn't respond earlier because I wasn't sure what was meant by the "McArthur stand-up collar" in Atkins' original query. I have a US A HH A-2, and the collar is definitely pretty stand-up: given the collar-stand construction and thick, springy leather, it's not about to lie flat! (I also have a goatskin FS A-2 without a collar stand: that one is very floppy and pretty much just lays there.) The US A does have a smallish collar with rounded points - which may not be suitably "McArthur"ish - but I really like the way it looks...
     
  8. atkins

    atkins Familiar Face

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    So what should the custom instruction be?

    Thaank you for all the replies,


    Need more help on how to wrote instruction email to US.Authentic to have the desired MacArthur collar. I don't know about jacket pattern, can't afford to make mistake.

    Regards,
    Atkins
     
  9. Fletch

    Fletch I'll Lock Up

    I'm thinking that's a Rough Wear - I understand Mac wore one at one time. Their collars were all stand built, high in the back, and developed that nice roll in front.

    Original RW #42-1401
    The Few RW 1401 repro
    Eastman RW 1401 repro & pic of Jimmy Stewart in his 1401

    Original pre-WW2 RW contracts:
    Original RW # AC-16159
    More 16159 pics - scroll down
    Original RW #AC-18091

    I imagine if you can get measurements and pix from someone with an original or faithful repro RW, you can be specific on what you want US-A to make for you.
     
  10. rubicon

    rubicon New in Town

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    Hi, first post. I got a US A about a week ago. Hope this helps.
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  11. Fletch

    Fletch I'll Lock Up

    Welcome. Nice hide and color - are the pix true to shade?

    That must be the horsehide - it looks like it has character.
    My goat US-A is soft and supple, but a bit blah to look at.
     
  12. rubicon

    rubicon New in Town

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    The pics are very close to their true shade. Taken indoors but with no flash. This is the vintage horsehide version that is a Pure Aniline finish. I am hoping for the nice patina that comes from this some day.
     
  13. Fletch

    Fletch I'll Lock Up

    Collar on my medium brown goat US-A

    Doesn't have that MacArthur/Rough Wear stance to it, but it's representative enough of the era.

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    I apologize to all for failing to shave beforehand.
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    Or focus.
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  14. Swoosed

    Swoosed One of the Regulars

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    Looks like Dover got the hide right this time. I'm like'n the vintage HH WOW!!
    mines too shiney.
     
  15. Fletch

    Fletch I'll Lock Up

    You could machine wash it. Cold cycle, no soap. Zip it up and throw in 2 or 3 bath towels.
     
  16. atkins

    atkins Familiar Face

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    [/quote]I imagine if you can get measurements and pix from someone with an original or faithful repro RW, you can be specific on what you want US-A to make for you.[/QUOTE]

    That's very true my friend, well untill i found the right owner with the right size, i'll have to stick with cloth model of collar base on the measurements you guys gave me.

    Regards,
    Atkins
     
  17. atkins

    atkins Familiar Face

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    Hi, Rubicon,
    Thank you for the image, i recognize the leather as vintage hh instantly, that hide were my first choice but i realize i need the russet. Wear it in good health.

    Regards,
    Atkins
     
  18. atkins

    atkins Familiar Face

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    I'm waiting for leather samples from NZ, when it arrived, i will be sure which one is thicker, RMCNZ or US'A. I can't believe the caliper shows almost 2mm thick on US A' russet hide.

    Regards,
    Atkins
     
  19. rubicon

    rubicon New in Town

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    I had a hard time deciding between the russet and the vintage. So hard to know the right choice without actually seeing them in person. Anyway, I am very happy with the vintage and I hope you are just as happy with your russet.
     

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