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By sheer coincidence some larger sized hats popped up here and there and this is one of them.
Kingson Imperial Quality fedora in flannel grey. Size 60 with the bound brim at a generous 7,5cm and the crown at 10,5cm at the center dent. The felt is wonderful with a nice hand and very malleable.
Although the sweatband specifically says so, I've had a Kingson before and I just found out that one was actually made by Vanzina. This one does have a label and it's certainly an English one, likely by Moores (they used the "flannel grey" as a colour). I'm a bit stumped about this brand, but it is likely that it was actually owned by the retailer J. Pul of Amsterdam.
The "real" bow with the loose ends is something we sometimes see on English hats. I have a Battersby with the same bow treatment.
Anyway, here it is.

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Another larger sized hat (sorry Brent; not large enough for you).
Tress Pathfinder fedora in brown heather felt. Size 59 or 60 (no label inside the hat). Overwelt brim at 6cm and the crown at 10,5 cm at the center dent. Unlined and the crown patch is worn out, but a very nice and wearable early Tress.

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Here's a picture of the retailer's shop in Ashton-under-Lyne. I could only find mention of Brownson in the first half of the last century, so likely the hat is pre-war as well.

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Another larger sized hat (sorry Brent; not large enough for you).
Tress Pathfinder fedora in brown heather felt. Size 59 or 60 (no label inside the hat). Overwelt brim at 6cm and the crown at 10,5 cm at the center dent. Unlined and the crown patch is worn out, but a very nice and wearable early Tress.

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Here's a picture of the retailer's shop in Ashton-under-Lyne. I could only find mention of Brownson in the first half of the last century, so likely the hat is pre-war as well.

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Neat looking hat
 
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Another larger sized hat (sorry Brent; not large enough for you).
Tress Pathfinder fedora in brown heather felt. Size 59 or 60 (no label inside the hat). Overwelt brim at 6cm and the crown at 10,5 cm at the center dent. Unlined and the crown patch is worn out, but a very nice and wearable early Tress.

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tress-pathfinder_02-jpg.380328
tress-pathfinder_03-jpg.380329
tress-pathfinder_04-jpg.380330
tress-pathfinder_06-jpg.380331
tress-pathfinder_07-jpg.380332
tress-pathfinder_08-jpg.380333
tress-pathfinder_09-jpg.380334
tress-pathfinder_10-jpg.380335


Here's a picture of the retailer's shop in Ashton-under-Lyne. I could only find mention of Brownson in the first half of the last century, so likely the hat is pre-war as well.

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It’s almost as if you were able to hear me muttering under my breath: “I thought he said they were in large sizes.” :)
Two beautiful hats, Stefan.
 

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Another larger sized hat (sorry Brent; not large enough for you).
Tress Pathfinder fedora in brown heather felt. Size 59 or 60 (no label inside the hat). Overwelt brim at 6cm and the crown at 10,5 cm at the center dent. Unlined and the crown patch is worn out, but a very nice and wearable early Tress.

Two nice large hat finds, Stefan. That photo is the icing on the cake.

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tress-pathfinder_06-jpg.380331
tress-pathfinder_07-jpg.380332
tress-pathfinder_08-jpg.380333
tress-pathfinder_09-jpg.380334
tress-pathfinder_10-jpg.380335


Here's a picture of the retailer's shop in Ashton-under-Lyne. I could only find mention of Brownson in the first half of the last century, so likely the hat is pre-war as well.

browns1_resize-jpg.380326
 

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Bristol / Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl "Excellent" "Bella", 58 cm later 1960s. This hat came Open Crown so unusual for a later German made hat. The Felt has a really fine color and finish and easily dry creases. The Curled Brim has a bit less Flange than a Homburg and the Brim Binding is thinner so maybe a less formal Homburg. I don't think it would be considered a Camber type but is somewhat similar. Whatever it is it looks great especially considering the time period. Also some mysteries solved! (see below).

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Open Crown

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Natural Light

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I am not sure why I missed this but the "Bella" mark was used by Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl so the "Bristol" and "Diplomat" marks were made by Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl. The paper label formats are similar and so are the components and construction. I also found that the German "Windsor" mark was made by Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl.

Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl "Bella" made for Hut-Göbelhoff Hanover

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https://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/topic/8-anton-peschel-neutitschein-dinkelsbühl/?do=findComment&comment=2988

Bristol "Excellent" "Bella" (see above)

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Diplomat "Bella" (belongs to Stefan)

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https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/german-austrian-hutmachers.32103/page-449#post-2825597

The "Windsor" mark in Germany was also made by Anton Peschel Dinkelsbüh. Similar label format and notice the "schw / schwarz / black" in upper right corner which is the same as Diplomat "Bella" (see above).

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https://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/topic/297-windsor-trademark/?do=findComment&comment=2002
 
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Bristol / Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl "Excellent" "Bella", 58 cm later 1960s. This hat came Open Crown so unusual for a later German made hat. The Felt has a really fine color and finish and easily dry creases. The Curled Brim has a bit less Flange than a Homburg and the Brim Binding is thinner so maybe a less formal Homburg. I don't think it would be considered a Camber type but is somewhat similar. Whatever it is it looks great especially considering the time period. I also made an interesting discovery (see below).

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Open Crown

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I am not sure why I missed this but the "Bella" mark was used by Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl so the "Bristol" and "Diplomat" marks were made by Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl. The paper label formats are similar and so are the components and construction. I will have to check some of the other paper labels with no company mark because they might also be associated with Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl.

Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl "Bella" made for Hut-Göbelhoff Hanover

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https://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/topic/8-anton-peschel-neutitschein-dinkelsbühl/?do=findComment&comment=2988

Bristol "Excellent" "Bella" (see above)

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Diplomat "Bella" (belongs to Stefan)

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https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/german-austrian-hutmachers.32103/page-449#post-2825597

Also appears the "Windsor" mark in Germany was also made by Anton Peschel Dinkelsbüh. Similar label format and notice the "schw / schwarz / black" in upper right corner which is the same as Diplomat "Bella" (see above).

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https://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/topic/297-windsor-trademark/?do=findComment&comment=2002
That's a nice looking hat!
 
Always nice to buy an old hat at less than half of its original price. Stetson 7XCB Open Road (as unboxed). Later production with the typical stiffness of that era. Nice hand though. A little dirty and it looks like a mule kicked it a couple of times. ;)

With a 2-3/4” unbound brim I’m not sure the judges will approve it’s inclusion in The Open Road Guild. :(

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The other hat was full price though. Dobbs Westward VVL Twenty. What a hat!

2-1/2” thinly bound brim with a 4-1/2 crown as creased (same crown height as the 7XCB). Some dirtyness and, unfortunately, two moth nibbles under the ribbon at the back of the crown.

They weren’t kidding with the VVL (Very Very Light) branding. We don’t have a good scale in that range here at the farm, but it almost feels like half the weight of the Stetson.

The crown easily creases to any shape desired and the hand is quite nice as well.

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The other hat was full price though. Dobbs Westward VVL Twenty. What a hat!

2-1/2” thinly bound brim with a 4-1/2 crown as creased (same crown height as the 7XCB). Some dirtyness and, unfortunately, two moth nibbles under the ribbon at the back of the crown.

They weren’t kidding with the VVL (Very Very Light) branding. We don’t have a good scale in that range here at the farm, but it almost feels like half the weight of the Stetson.

The crown easily creases to any shape desired and the hand is quite nice as well.

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Two great new finds, Bob. The Dobbs obviously trumps the Stetson, but the latter is not to be sneezed at despite its short comings.
 
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Always nice to buy an old hat at less than half of its original price. Stetson 7XCB Open Road (as unboxed). Later production with the typical stiffness of that era. Nice hand though. A little dirty and it looks like a mule kicked it a couple of times. ;)

With a 2-3/4” unbound brim I’m not sure the judges will approve it’s inclusion in The Open Road Guild. :(

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Maybe someone cut off the binding? It self-identifies as an Open Road, so I won't argue with the hat.
 

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Great hats, Bob. I can't find any specifics but Rogers may have been one of the Dunlap owned stores in west Texas and New Mexico after WWII.

The other hat was full price though. Dobbs Westward VVL Twenty. What a hat!

2-1/2” thinly bound brim with a 4-1/2 crown as creased (same crown height as the 7XCB). Some dirtyness and, unfortunately, two moth nibbles under the ribbon at the back of the crown.

They weren’t kidding with the VVL (Very Very Light) branding. We don’t have a good scale in that range here at the farm, but it almost feels like half the weight of the Stetson.

The crown easily creases to any shape desired and the hand is quite nice as well.

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Bristol / Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl "Excellent" "Bella", 58 cm later 1960s. This hat came Open Crown so unusual for a later German made hat. The Felt has a really fine color and finish and easily dry creases. The Curled Brim has a bit less Flange than a Homburg and the Brim Binding is thinner so maybe a less formal Homburg. I don't think it would be considered a Camber type but is somewhat similar. Whatever it is it looks great especially considering the time period. Also some mysteries solved! (see below).

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51691517762_5618c63f75_h.jpg


51693215035_abbe871607_h.jpg


51692321466_826e7e51df_h.jpg


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Open Crown

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I am not sure why I missed this but the "Bella" mark was used by Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl so the "Bristol" and "Diplomat" marks were made by Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl. The paper label formats are similar and so are the components and construction. I also found that the German "Windsor" mark was made by Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl.

Anton Peschel Dinkelsbühl "Bella" made for Hut-Göbelhoff Hanover

51691519808_7203d7931e_h.jpg


https://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/topic/8-anton-peschel-neutitschein-dinkelsbühl/?do=findComment&comment=2988

Bristol "Excellent" "Bella" (see above)

51689132033_4c8d8ddf0e_h.jpg


Diplomat "Bella" (belongs to Stefan)

diplomat-black_11-jpg.343974


https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/german-austrian-hutmachers.32103/page-449#post-2825597

The "Windsor" mark in Germany was also made by Anton Peschel Dinkelsbüh. Similar label format and notice the "schw / schwarz / black" in upper right corner which is the same as Diplomat "Bella" (see above).

33356636938_74c11a8ec5_b.jpg


https://germanaustrianhats.invisionzone.com/topic/297-windsor-trademark/?do=findComment&comment=2002

nice Steve.
 

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