Size 46 jacket seller says Pit to Pit is 58 inches- what are they measuring?

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  1. Andrew Putnam

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    There's a jacket online I'd like to buy but I like to have as much information as possible before I buy from overseas which is why I try and get as much info as possible if I can before purchasing.
    The jacket is a UK size 46
    It is astounding just how hard it can be to get some sellers to measure a jacket correctly, even when I supply pictures of how to do so. Many times I have received a reply "The size is there it is marked XL" end of story.. no good persevering in these cases usually I'd imagine however,
    In reply and I'm very grateful for them trying to help, I got 27" shoulder to cuff, 27" bottom of collar to hem, then I get 58" Pit to Pit. The jacket is obviously not 58" P2P
    The only thing I can think of is they accidentally switched to cm's on the P2P measurement which would make it 23" which makes sense.. but they aren't replying anymore.
    So my question is does anyone with more experience have any idea how they could have come up with 58" P2P that might somehow shed light on the actual P2P measurement?
    Perhaps there are some common mistakes people make that could reveal the true measurement... or perhaps I should just let it go.
    Any help appreciated.
     
  2. Guppy

    Guppy My Mail is Forwarded Here

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    Just pass on it, you don't need that kind of aggravation.
     
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  3. jacketjunkie

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    Stay away from people who can't get measurements right, you only end up with jackets that don't fit and terrible experiences trying to get your money back.
     
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  4. Monitor

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    You said it yourself - if the seller is in Europe, it is possible that they forgot to convert the cm to inches. 58 cm would be 23". This still can't be a size 46 but in 99% of the cases, people will shortchange the P2P measurement. I'm not sure why, my guess is they don't straighten the jacket enough or they simply measure from seam to seam, instead of an actual physical width of the garment... But I regularly buy jackets listed at 21" P2P, even though technically I wouldn't be able to even zip it up at that size, because I know I'll get a jacket that measures up to 23" in chest.
     
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  5. Fanch

    Fanch I'll Lock Up

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    In this instance you are not just buying a jacket, you are also buying a seller. Since you live in Australia and the seller is in the UK, returning the jacket would be a monumental headache. I wouldn't walk away from that sale, I would RUN away. :eek:
     
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  6. ton312

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    It seems as if the seller has already wasted your time. Don’t let them have the same go at your money. If they can’t provide this simple answer they don’t deserve the sale.
     
  7. Seb Lucas

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    I kind of agree with what the others say but I have found that some sellers can be helpful if you engage in polite emails and will eventually get it right. Some won't. In my experience 70% will respond positively to - "It will really help you sell this jacket if you list some key measurements, because labeled sizes vary a lot and some jackets marked Small actually fit like a Medium."
     
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  8. El Marro

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    This is a tough question because there are an infinite number of ways to do this wrong and really only one way to do it right.
    Unless this jacket is really special I would have to agree with what the others have said and take a pass on it
     
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  9. robrinay

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    If the seller can’t be bothered to measure the jacket properly then steer clear of him/her. If you’re desperate to buy it then try the polite advisory approach, telling them if their measurements are way out then whoever buys will return it at the sellers expense as - ‘not as described’.
     
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  10. zebedee

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    I'd email and ask. Can't hurt and might be an honest mistake.
     
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  11. nick123

    nick123 I'll Lock Up

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    He could have accidentally given full circumference of the jacket taken around the chest. 29 times 2=58. Seems huge for a 46. Probably a sloppy undertaking for anyone.
     
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  12. navetsea

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    seller has big boobs
     
  13. Mich486

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    Try the polite approach first of course then if you really like the jacket but the seller doesn’t cooperate, I’d buy it and if it doesn’t fit return it. You will be able to return it given that the item it clearly is not as described.


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  14. Peacoat

    Peacoat Bartender Bartender

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    As the seller is no longer replying to your emails, that only leaves you one option. He obviously doesn't want your business. I wouldn't waste anymore time with him.
     
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  15. jonbuilder

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    logic like this is one reason sellers are hesitant to put measurements in their listing.
     
  16. Andrew Putnam

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    Jawohl!!!
     
  17. robrinay

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    It’s for this reason I place a metal measuring tape across the important dimension areas of my ‘for sale jacket pictures’
    I tell them in the description that I’m aware it only shows approximate measurements but it gives a rough idea and cuts down on questions and arguments when on arrival they say it’s too small.
     
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  18. Andrew Putnam

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    Yeah unfortunately I have not heard back from the seller after several days and sending two polite messages so will have to let it slip.
    It was a cheap old ex police motorcycle jacket BKS, which I may have had some matching pants for here for.
    They don't seem to make them like that anymore, Motorcycle jackets are mostly all skimping on materials and safety for flashy huge brandnames displayed and hundreds of different seams.
    I have another possible 2 piece suit coming, although the pants do seem to have been sent to the wrong country!
    eBay for you. I'd so prefer to buy via FL!
     
  19. Edward

    Edward Bartender

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    One reason I stopped buying jackets on ebay unless I know the brand or am otherwise certain it's going to fit right is that there are far, far too many people on eBay - including even same professional sellers - who don't understand the difference between garment size and measurement. If the measurements equate to 46, then it sounds like one of these ninnies who think that means it will fit a person who measures 46 chest - i.e. be a size 46. I can only assume people like that are the reason Tom Ford and the likes are able to sell those stupid, over-tight, shrunken suits.

    TL/DR: Some people think an item that measures 23" p2p / 46 around the chest is therefore a size 46. They obviously don't know how clothes work.
     
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