Snow.... are you kiddin' me?

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  1. Don Tomaso

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    That's the iffy thing about that "freedom of speech", you're even allowed to have strange or rightout stupid views and opinions.;)
    To bee serious, I'm sure some people in the "climate change"-camp also have at least simplistic views of the impact of human actions on climate. It is terribly difficult interactions in these coupled chaotic systems and climate change can even lead to colder weather in some areas. And on top of that, the whole thing isn't really understood as of yet. Nevertheless I think it would be a good idea to reduce the emission of greenhouse-gases as much as possible...
    But I guess Mr Gore simply is a hate-object in some circles and then I know what I know about "haters". They would punch Mr Gore whatever happens. Strange people, indeed.
     
  2. Monitor

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    See, that's the only conclusion I got whenever I tried to look into the thing.

    Though in the last few years the weather does seem to have changed, where I am...
     
  3. tropicalbob

    tropicalbob My Mail is Forwarded Here

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    It was called "global warming" until some time in the '90's when the Republicans' semantics advisers told them to switch to "climate change." I have a copy of a very interesting Frontline documentary from that time called "The Hidden Persuaders" that shows clips of the day the politicians all started using the new term. The warming itself is not in doubt: just ask the fishermen. Species are moving farther north every year.
     
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  4. nick123

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    Anyone here visit the Above Top Secret forum? Now that's a place where the moon landing never happened...and Art Bell. Anyone??
     
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  5. Monitor

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    I've been lurking Above Top Secret for a short while because it was a great source of inspiration for a comic book I have been working on. That's pretty much all the place was good for.
     
  6. Otter

    Otter One Too Many

    Wow, just looked on ATS, now I have just one question, where can I get a nice tinfoil hat?
     
  7. tonypaj

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    Please someone climate change the pollen out of where I am and keep the golf courses open. They can have all my leather jackets for that.
     
  8. tropicalbob

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    Monitor, great idea for a comic. How about some pics when you get it going?
     
  9. Explaining it is one thing; getting people to listen to the explanation is an entirely different problem. And I'm sure that's why the so-called experts prefer the term "climate change" to "global warming"--most people (i.e., "John Q. Public") heard the word "warming" and, without doing any further research, assumed it meant temperatures were going to rise; they never stopped to consider that particular pendulum swinging both ways, and that higher high temperatures also meant lower low temperatures.

    A friend works for a Hazardous Materials office here in the Los Angeles area. A few years ago the subject of climate change came up during a dinner conversation, and I asked his opinion on whether it was a natural phenomenon, if we humans were contributing to it, or if it was a combination of the two. He, having done the research, stated without hesitation that he fully believed we humans are causing it. So I would agree that a drastic reduction of greenhouse gas emissions would be a good start, but the damage that's already been done may be irreversible.
     
  10. Stearmen

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    First we have to fly, before we can go to the moon! As you can see on this esteemed web sight, we still have not had the first manned flight. http://www.manwillneverfly.com/ :D "Incidentally, Sarcasm Button!"
     
  11. nick123

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    Oh man. Just oh man.
     
  12. Stanley Doble

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    A couple of years ago there was a proposal to make a new moon mission. Experts at NASA pointed out that this would be impossible until they figured out a way to shield the astronauts from the radiation that we are normally protected from by the atmosphere and that this was no simple matter.

    The moon mission enthusiasts said they could use the same kind of shielding NASA used in the sixties, if they would tell them what it was.

    To which NASA replied that they had destroyed and thrown out the original records of the moon missions.

    I went what? Are they kidding? We have Christopher Columbus's diary but NASA didn't bother saving the records of the moon missions?
     
  13. Stanley Doble

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    I live in Canada and could use a little Global Warming.

    Have been following the whole Global Warming, Climate Change thing for years. Watched Al Gore's movie, and have a memory that goes back farther than what was on TV last Tuesday.

    20 and 30 years ago "experts" were making all kinds of dire predictions about how the world was going to be roasting and practically uninhabitable by now. None of them have come true.

    James Lovelock, pioneer climate scientist and inventor of the Gaia Hypothesis, admitted that his predictions were wrong and that we needed to rethink the whole climate change scenario. When asked why he was the only one saying these things, he said "I'm 92 and retired. I don't have to worry about tenure or my reputation".

    The whole situation is not as cut and dried as you might think from the news media. For example, just last week I read where the total amount of forested area of the earth has grown by millions of acres over the last 50 years and that this has soaked up a lot of CO2.
     
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  15. HighandDry

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    Where are you getting that???
    Everywhere I read, the amount of deforestation is increasing every year.
     
  16. Sloan1874

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    Really, this is a rabbit hole I don't think this thread needs.
     
  17. Monitor

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    Nor any thread for that matter.
     
  18. Stanley Doble

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    March 30, 2015

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    Analysis of 20 years of satellite data has revealed the total amount of vegetation globally has increased by almost 4 billion tons of carbon since 2003. This is despite ongoing large-scale deforestation in the tropics.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/03/150330122352.htm

    Analysis of 20 years of satellite data has revealed the total amount of vegetation globally has increased by almost 4 billion tonnes of carbon since 2003. This is despite ongoing large-scale deforestation in the tropics.

    An Australian-led international team of scientists published the findings in Nature Climate Change, finding a range of causes for the increase.

    "The increase in vegetation primarily came from a lucky combination of environmental and economic factors and massive tree-planting projects in China," said Dr Yi Liu a lead author and remote sensing scientist from the Centre of Excellence for Climate System Science at the University of New South Wales.

    "Vegetation increased on the savannas in Australia, Africa and South America as a result of increasing rainfall, while in Russia and former Soviet republics we have seen the regrowth of forests on abandoned farmland. China was the only country to intentionally increase its vegetation with tree planting projects."

    At the same time massive vegetation loss is still occurring in many other regions. The greatest declines have been on the edge of the Amazon forests and in the Indonesian provinces of Sumatra and Kalimantan -- the Indonesian part of Borneo.

    To get their results the team pioneered an entirely new technique to map changes in vegetation biomass over time, using satellite measurements of natural radio waves emitted from the Earth's surface.

    "Previous analyses of vegetation biomass focused on forest cover change," said fellow lead author, Professor Albert van Dijk of The Australian National University.

    "With our approach we found unexpectedly large vegetation increases in the savannas of southern Africa and northern Australia. The increase in Australia occurred despite ongoing land clearing, urbanization and big droughts across other parts of Australia."

    The increased greening means the total amount of carbon captured in Australia's vegetation has increased.

    The main cause of this strong growth over the savannas came from higher rainfall, particularly in recent years, although higher levels of CO2 in the atmosphere may have helped plants there to grow more vigorously.

    However the situation could rapidly reverse if the savannas were to experience extended dry periods, according to CSIRO's Dr Pep Canadell, a co-author of the study and director of the Global Carbon Project

    "This study shows this capture of carbon is very sensitive to year-to-year changes in rainfall over savanna regions, both for Australia and for the global CO2 budget," Dr Canadell said

    "It's important to recognize that global warming would be happening faster if some of our CO2 emissions were not captured by this vegetation growth."

    But even with the good news of nature helping regulate Earth's climate, Dr Canadell said there was still only one way to reduce the impacts of global warming.

    "We know about 50% of emissions from human activities stay in the atmosphere even after the other half is removed by terrestrial vegetation and oceans. The only way to stabilize the climate system is to reduce global fossil fuel emissions to zero."

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    The above story is based on materials provided by University of New South Wales. Note: Materials may be edited for content and length.

    Journal Reference:

    Yi Y. Liu, Albert I. J. M. van Dijk, Richard A. M. de Jeu, Josep G. Canadell, Matthew F. McCabe, Jason P. Evans, Guojie Wang. Recent reversal in loss of global terrestrial biomass. Nature Climate Change, 2015; DOI: 10.1038/nclimate2581
     
  19. navetsea

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    so global warming and climate change is still happenning, so Al Gore was not wrong, and perhaps you shouldn't punch his face?
     
  20. Stanley Doble

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    What has Al "I invented the internet" Gore ever been involved in that wasn't a scam?

    By the way I have done far more for the environment than he ever has. My carbon footprint is about 1/100th the size of his.
     
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