What Is the Allure of Japanese Leather Jackets?

Discussion in 'Outerwear' started by Coriu, Oct 27, 2021.

  1. Will Zach

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    What I want out of this thread is Japanese companies that make mediocre jackets. The good ones I know.
     
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  2. Claybertrand

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    Very well put. The Greaser culture being romanticized by another culture to the point they are celebrating something that never actually happened and sorta making it their own....... I wonder how much of the post war morale in Japan led to their love of post war America culture---or at least---their interpretation of it. Its very interesting.

    This bike is KILLER!!!!!! A modern antique....... almost seems to have just the slightest Steam Punk vibe to it in my mind.....
     
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  3. El Marro

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    Yes, but NO!
     
  4. Marc mndt

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    The Flat Head
     
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    Why does the history matter? Many companies around the world do not divulge that type of information and if they do it's just a generic background. I understand we want some magical provenance from some guru in the world of leather sewing, but the truth is it's probably just "Soichiro liked cool, old American leather jackets and decided to make one himself, which then started company X. Hitoshi worked for company X when he decided to make his own company, company Y". Truth is, it seems a lot of these Japanese companies are offshoots from one another and they often tie into a manufacturer who is the one actually producing the jackets, like Rainbow Country.

    I've seen many people quote this company as the best though. They seem nice in pictures.

    For midrange I would say Y2 seems to be somewhere around there.
     
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  6. Monitor

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    That's well put about the exotic appeal of another country or culture. I guess it's no different than the entire West obsessing over Japanese martial arts, the whole Samurai and Bushido deal, followed by Anime & Manga in the more recent years.

    It's got a lot to do with movies, I suppose. Or perhaps it's got everything to do with movies. The greaser culture. . . I doubt it it even existed outside the movies, at least in the form it's been depicted this whole time. Kind of hilarious, the whole thing.

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  7. Marc mndt

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    They do? These are a few examples, there are many more. I think Aero would sell these as apprentice jackets. Definitely not something I'd spend 2k+ on.

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    Y2 jackets aren't on the same level as FW, but that's not very surprising since they're half the price. I'd say they are good value.

    I'd call Schott midrange. Y2 jackets are definitely above that.
     
  8. marker2037

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    To be fair, I have never analyzed Flat Head jackets nor really seen one in anything but pictures from online shops, so you may be right. I wasn't saying they are top level, just that others claim they are.

    As for Y2, same scenario really. I would have to get my hands on one to see how it really does as far as pattern goes. The quality seems to be there, but it's all about that fit. Their Type I (or is II?) seems pretty awesome in pics though.
     
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  9. Coriu

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  10. Canuck Panda

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    If a store like Desolation Row opens in LA or NYC, I am sure the prices would be just as high or even higher than in Tokyo.

    It's no different than going on a holiday in the Mediterranean and coming home with a Thedi.

    I would totally make room in the budget for a La Brea from Desolation Row to my Japan Getaway, but I would not buy it online. The experience (not just the jacket) is worth the price of admission.
     
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  11. Marc mndt

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    They're decent jackets. The pattern is perfectly suited for the western physique, I wear my regular size 42 in them. Such a shame they made the body too long. Type I and II jackets should have a boxy fit.

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  12. Claybertrand

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    I think the longer jacket looks just as cool as the shorter one. But the shorter one looks much more "vintage" being shorter.
     
  13. marker2037

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    That's the problem I feared. I don't know why the Japanese seem to increase the length so much on jackets in the 42 and up range. Otherwise, it's a lovely jacket.
     
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  14. navetsea

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    i don't believe there is culture so strong in one pursuit of perfection that resonance to an entire nation, we are just human so are japanese, some of them are lazy, some of them are hard working, some open to new view and keep on updating, some are stubbornly follow old familiar ways, some strong in concepting, some meticulous in detail application. and so are their products.

    it is the same in every country, I bet you can find fine details, straight sewn jacket everywhere in the world.

    I've seen a japanese tv program where they show a soy sauce factory, they keep the soysauce in the pot and play certain japanese traditional song to it to better age the sauce, so it fermenting better, supposedly due to vibration of the song into the pot, etc... nice story... I think that is their strength..
     
  15. Aloysius

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    That's not actually their website. That's the website of the store in London that sells Real McCoys.

    There's this weird trend in the UK of a store selling a given Japanese brand… and going by the name of that brand (with big mark-ups, of course). We saw this with Iron Heart as well, though in that case they eventually strong-armed their way into being given full control of Iron Heart's international sales, which is why if you buy an Iron Heart in the West from a store other than IHUK/International, you're still paying double the Japanese price.

    As for the Japanese jacket cult… it's a mix of things. Most of which is driven by weebery, on which stores like Standard & Strange are built.

    It makes a lot of money for those who cater to it, but hilariously the Japanese don't have this same obsession with Japanese made Americana. They of course buy it, and love a lot of it, but they don't look down on the American and other non-Japanese brands the way "workwear"/"JAPANESE CRAFTSMANSHIP"/etc types do.

    I love my Japanese amekaji stuff, but ironically the people who obsess over it have a very shallow understanding of Japanese craft and culture. And one that would puzzle Japanese. [That in itself isn't necessarily disqualifying, but it's interesting.]

    Some brands/brand fanbases are worse about it than others. For instance, RMC and BR are comparable… but RMC costs considerably more even in Japan (then costs considerably more than that at stores like S&S or RMC London). This leads to this feeling that RMC must be the very best at everything (helped by RMC's current owner spreading rumors about BR), entirely based on that price differentiation.
     
  16. red devil

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    There are a lot of Japanese one man shows as ell such as Four speed leathers for example... at least it was a one man show when I visited it.

    Speaking of alcoholics, one of the most renowned kitchen knife makers in Japan was an alcoholic. He used to make knives when he ran out of money or so the story goes.
     
  17. Monitor

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    I agree but tradition being a cultural thing, striving toward perfectionism is something that's been associated with the Japanese tradition for a long time now - Though maybe this could just be romanticizing and generalization.
    The fact, however, does remain that the most accurately reproduced leather jacket began appearing in Japan, even though the entire repro thing started off in Europe, during the 80's. Just that where others called it a day, Japan took things a few steps further and that's something that cannot be denied.
     
  18. Coriu

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    A lot of tradition in places seems to be going by the wayside. Enough so, that I am skeptical to put labels on anyone, especially younger people. I live in a rural county that is historically known for hard-working, conservative farm workers with good manners. As a school teacher now, I can assure you that the majority of my kids are not hard-working, have no interest in farming, and use foul language as bad as any inner city kid. They will curse out a teacher in a heartbeat. We are at a time of incredible change.

    Only the most deeply rooted cultural traditions/values are being sustained...or so it seems. BTW-There are many things younger folks today are changing for the positive as well. I simply use the above as an example of how "People from there are like this and that" labeling may not be accurate.
     
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  19. Monitor

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    I noticed this as well - And not just about Japanese craft & culture but how they completely disregard fashion in general, which I find incomprehensible as it's the most important crucial part of the let's call it scene & some of these guys completely disregard it, thinking the nicheness alone is sufficient to elevate them above the need for learning.

    Great observation and again, something that stems from (deliberate) lack of comparison and antagonism toward actual knowledge. But I get it; There's simply so much to learn thus highest prices & most pretentious blurbs are the easiest route toward style.

    Did you notice how many of these older guys tend to say how they've discovered style at whatever age, instead of fashion? Rugged style. Ugh.
     
  20. handymike

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    Four Speed makes some really nice looking stuff! So does Trophy Clothing, Ol Shanks, Moto, Adjustable Costume and Jelado. Electric Leather Studio is making some of the more unique designs. I’d love to visit someday.
     
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