When was the C crown created?

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  1. jswindle2

    jswindle2 One of the Regulars

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    Being more of a fan of the pre-war style of hats, I've always been inclined to the center crease bash on a crown. However, I have seen pre 1940's hat's with different crown styles like the tear drop or c style bash and I do like the look of it. I was curious as to when the C style started showing up in hats and why it became the prominent style after the war.
     
  2. RJR

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    Tough to make any sort of blanket statement but I'd guess that as crowns became shorter and brims narrower there wasn't enough height to do a nice center dent.
     
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  3. jswindle2

    jswindle2 One of the Regulars

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    That was my theory.
     
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  4. moontheloon

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    no way to know for sure ... but I have studied hundreds of pictures of hats through eras and I noticed that up until around the mid 1930s you pretty much see nothing but center dents
     
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  5. jswindle2

    jswindle2 One of the Regulars

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    I noticed a C crown on a hat while watching The Cowboy and the Lady (1938). This is the earliest I have noticed that I can pin down.
     
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  6. scottyrocks

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    +1
     
  7. emigran

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    Isn't that Roy Rogers flick...he sure had a dandy bash...
     
  8. alanfgag

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    Perhaps post a photo of the creases you are describing to help clarify the difference between a teardrop and c style bash?

    Pre-creased hats with a "C" shaped crown were a popular offering of Lee Hats:

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  9. jswindle2

    jswindle2 One of the Regulars

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    I basically see them as the same thing,like the style above.
     
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  10. jswindle2

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    Actually,I only saw part of it. The two stars I saw were Gary Cooper and Merle Oberon.
     
  11. tropicalbob

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    Threads about the history of hats are almost always interesting, but whenever I see one I first think of a photo I saw some years ago of a group of U.S. sailors going on liberty in Honolulu in the 1930's. What was fascinating about it was that every single one was sporting his flat-hat in a different style. I considered that the flat-hat is simply a round piece of cloth, but you could come up with endless variations of it; hats are great expressions of personal style and I'm always glad to see some originality.
     
  12. emigran

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    Right I know that one ... my mistake... but Roy DID have a double dandy c crown western bash... there's a video of him making his own bash ...soaks the whole hat first...
     
  13. TheDane

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    I believe that was a teardrop - not a C-crown :)

    Edit: Yes, it was a teardrop:
     
  14. alanfgag

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    A telescoped teardrop. Not a crease you see everyday.
     
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  15. TheDane

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    You could buy one of Bob's (BSHW) version:

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    - then you could see it every day ;)

    Bob seems to be a very innovative person. I respect the fact, that he constantly experiments with new grips on long gone hatters' "virtues".
     
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  16. alanfgag

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    Much respect for Bob - he is among our most talented artisans. That particular crease evokes in my mind scenes from the movie Alien which I would rather dis-member. But I am a big fan of the double dip. I think it is at its best done on a tall crown with the thin, dense, clay-like felt of a vintage clear beaver. Here's one I creased based on another very similar example:

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    Sorry for the drift but I am losing track of what we are talking about here.
     
  17. emigran

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    thank you sir... telescopic teardrop for sure... Thanks for the vid...one cool cowboy...
     
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  18. scottyrocks

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    Could someone post a picture of a 'c' and a teardrop side by side so I can see the subtle differences, thanks?
     
  19. moontheloon

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    not whole lot of difference from what I've seen

    a "C crown" is basically a "teardrop" with corners where a teardrop is rounded the entire way

    semantics that I wish to never get involved in .... I don't believe hat shaping should ever be this particular ... just my opinion

    but they would look something like this

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  20. RJR

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    I agree.
     
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