I have a simple purpose for creating this thread….to get you to think... That’s all, nothing more. I’m specifically addressing new, horse leather garments, not ones that have already been created. I have worked in a slaughterhouse. I believe in eating meat and using hides to make clothing. Killing animals literally and figuratively fed my family. So, don’t mistake me for a PETA member with an agenda. Being around cattle and horses has given me great respect for them. That said, I support slaughtering them if done properly. As a lover of leather, I believe I do have a responsibility to understand how that piece of new flesh got around my shoulders. Unfortunately, it is not easy to find out. Over the past eight years, Canada has shipped 40,000 live horses to Japan. These animals are allowed, by law, to travel for up to 28 hours without food or water, and multiple animals are crammed into a crate that prevents them from being mobile. This is done to save money raising the horses in Japan. In Europe, Poland exports live horses that are exposed to similar conditions. In the US, “brokers” travel around picking up old horses, even pets, and take them to Mexico, where they are treated in ways many would find unacceptable. Is this ethical? That is for you to decide. I am not interested in debating that point and ask that we limit discussion to FACTS such as those presented in the last paragraph. For example, if you know of a company that is doing the right thing, that would be great to know and we should support them. I would ask you to consider one thing. If you have never spent time at a horse farm, please go, spend time with the horses, and talk to the owner about horse behavior. It will give you a different perspective, I assure you. Horses are very sensitive animals. Everyone in the supply chain has a responsibility to ensure that the jacket we are wearing came from an animal that was treated humanely. Just like that diamond on your finger. But how do leather companies ensure this? Or maybe they simply don’t want us to know. There is a smoking gun when it comes to the horse trade. I worked for one of the biggest meat producers in the world and know what goes on behind the scenes. How would you feel knowing that a horse was tortured to put that skin on your back? Do you know? Remember, my purpose here is not to put you on a guilt trip...just to think and consider. Until we get a better handle on things(I hope) from an ethical and sustainability perspective, I think it reasonable to at least consider purchasing existing jackets instead. I am NOT telling you not to purchase a new leather jacket. I am simply asking you to THINK about it within the context of this discussion. There are so many nice ones out there. Whether it is eating meat or wearing leather, one thing is clear. A message needs to be sent to manufacturers that they need to up their sustainability game so an end-user can know the animal that gave their life for us was treated with dignity. Why is this an important topic worthy of consideration? At the very least, it could impact the availability of leather jackets in the future. Rubbish? Many years ago I was a member of a global committee addressing sustainability in the mining industry. Issues we raised that were poo poo'd and labeled as "non issues" at the time by company CEO's are front and center today. If leather manufacturers choose to ignore, I believe they are in for a rude awakening in years to come. It is VERY important to Gen Z, and they are putting their money where there mouth is...and will continue to do so. In addition, tanneries are nasty places that potentially pollute and endanger the lives of the surrounding community. As people become more informed and less tolerant of environmental insults, I think these tanneries will be forced to change their ways or be shut down. https://www.worstpolluted.org/projects_reports/display/88 A little story...I was auditing a manufacturing facility in Asia and noticed a fire on the property. I drove out to it and they were burning hazardous waste(next to a stockpile of gasoline!). A stream of the nastiest looking stuff was running off into a water supply. I immediately called our company's Counsel with the intent of shutting down the entire facility. I was told by the executive, "I know exactly what you are looking at, and it is not pretty, but that's just the way they do things there." .. in other words, look the other way. I'll close in saying that I don't get off on being Debbie Downer. If you don't want to think that hard, I understand. We are indirectly tied to a controversial industry that may have some serious challenges in the future and I think being an educated consumer is a responsible approach. If you don't mind, I am going to make myself a steak now.