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Vinatge Racing and Vintage Cameras

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Yeah, something magical in that vintage machinery.

Got a case full of Olympus OM stuff here -- a couple of bodies, maybe half a dozen lenses, motor winders, filters, etc. Haven't used it in years.

The modern stuff just doesn't feel anywhere near so "permanent." If seems downright disposable in comparison.
 
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I do WWII combat-photo reenacting using 1930's and 1940's cameras and black and white film. It *really* makes you appreciate the skill and courage of the original photographers. It's hard enough to get good results in totally non-lethal simulated warfare. How they were able to do it in real situations is almost miraculous.
 
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Stearmen

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On a funny side note, showing how times have changed, my new pickup truck came with a GoPro camera mount glued to the inside of the windshield!
 
MikeKardec

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EngProf said:
I do WWII combat-photo reenacting using 1930's and 1940's cameras and black and white film. It *really* makes you appreciate the skill and courage of the original photographers. It's hard enough to get good results in totally non-lethal simulated warfare. How they were able to do it in real situations is almost miraculous.
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THAT is very cool! Somehow significantly more interesting than the idea of being part of the battle simulation! It would be great to see some of your photos.

It's cool because what you are doing is one step closer to being real than the "historical exercise" around you. You're shooting live film even if they are not shooting live ammo.

Stearmen said:
On a funny side note, showing how times have changed, my new pickup truck came with a GoPro camera mount glued to the inside of the windshield!
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Disturbing. Millennial. Narcissistic ... not you, you have my utmost respect, but the idea that that is what the customer really wants. On the other hand an side interior camera for documenting police conduct would be interesting.

Here's a great OLD racing film with great cars ...

 
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EngProf

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MikeKardec said:
THAT is very cool! Somehow significantly more interesting than the idea of being part of the battle simulation! It would be great to see some of your photos.

It's cool because what you are doing is one step closer to being real than the "historical exercise" around you. You're shooting live film even if they are not shooting live ammo.



Disturbing. Millennial. Narcissistic ... not you, you have my utmost respect, but the idea that that is what the customer really wants. On the other hand an side interior camera for documenting police conduct would be interesting.

Here's a great OLD racing film with great cars ...

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I was a user/collector of classic cameras before I had ever heard of reenacting, so when that came along as an activity, I put one and one together and got three. (whole is greater than the sum of its parts)
You're right that it's more fun to shoot real film than blank cartridges - at least I think so. If you keep your head down, as everyone else is also doing, and try to keep out of sight you find that it's really difficult to get any sort of meaningful photos even under *simulated* combat conditions.

As I said, it's amazing that real combat cameramen got any good photos at all without getting killed or wounded. (Actually, a number of them were...)

I'll post some examples if I can figure out how to do that.
 
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Stearmen

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MikeKardec said:
THAT is very cool! Somehow significantly more interesting than the idea of being part of the battle simulation! It would be great to see some of your photos.

It's cool because what you are doing is one step closer to being real than the "historical exercise" around you. You're shooting live film even if they are not shooting live ammo.



Disturbing. Millennial. Narcissistic ... not you, you have my utmost respect, but the idea that that is what the customer really wants. On the other hand an side interior camera for documenting police conduct would be interesting.

Here's a great OLD racing film with great cars ...

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The only reason I know what the mount is, I asked the young salesmen, what is that plastic thing on the window. I love 50s sports cars, very clear film, must have been 16 or 35mm! It's amazing how well the under powered little Lotus did!
 
MikeKardec

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My uncle raced Lotus cars in this era. He claims that their attitude was that if the car wasn't falling apart by the end of the race, it wasn't light enough. Wasn't the Coventry Climax (the Lotus engine) originally a water pump or something? Realistically though, I'm guessing Lotus and Porsche and others didn't race tiny engines because they couldn't get or build larger ones they raced them because of the collateral benefits of a light car; good handling and breaking especially on the narrow tires that all 1960s cars ran with whether they had large or small displacement. I know traction is an issue (more in drag racing but I assume you can still give up a huge accumulation of fractions of a second trying to move a heavy car with tires and a suspension that doesn't accommodate the road surface.

I used to drive a 1966 Vette with a 427 and it was amusing to try to explain to kids with 1990s Cameros that they actually had the faster car. They'd say "you've got 500 horse power!" I'd say "sure but you can keep your horse power on the road 10 times better than I can." The difference was tires suspension and transmission, probably in that order.

Lotus went a long way (and still does) on "foot pounds of lightness."
 
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Stearmen

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Nothing beat the AC Ace for lightness to HP! In it's original form, it had a mere 86hp, by it's last incarnation it had over five times that. In between it won the SCCA championship in Class A from 1957-59, then it was forced to compete in Class C against far more powerful cars, but still won the title in 60 and 61. In its next life, the cars went on to win Le Mans and the FIA championship under the guidance of a certain larger then life Texan. Safe to say, the Ace in it's final Cobra guise, ended up transcending mere mortal coils and went into the realm of mythical status!
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Hurricane Jack

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EngProf said:
I saw that car run numerous times back in the sixties. Never turned over back then....
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Me too. I imagine they have the steering turned down pretty tight so the wheels stay straight when it's up in the air. It looked to me like Riggle was going too fast still when he tried to make too tight of a turn at the end. I was surprised they would even do that in the parking lot instead of inside on the track. That parking lot didn't look all that smooth & that stiff chassis had that car bouncing around all over the place.
 
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Me too. I imagine they have the steering turned down pretty tight so the wheels stay straight when it's up in the air. It looked to me like Riggle was going too fast still when he tried to make too tight of a turn at the end. I was surprised they would even do that in the parking lot instead of inside on the track. That parking lot didn't look all that smooth & that stiff chassis had that car bouncing around all over the place.
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Definitely agree that they were taking too many chances and not doing things in the best way. That car, and the other "wheelstanders", were none too stable even on a straight flat dragstrip.
 
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Doesn't anyone here realize that Morgan cars are still being made, some scarcely any different from the first cars they ever made before WWII, both 3-wheelers and 4-wheelers. The closest dealer to where I live in in Morgantown, West Virginia, of all places, but I guess someone there thought it would be something else to sell Morgans in Morgantown.

They never made their own engines, however, and I don't think they ever went in for racing. But they have been described as the first, last and only sports car.
 
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BlueTrain said:
Doesn't anyone here realize that Morgan cars are still being made, some scarcely any different from the first cars they ever made before WWII, both 3-wheelers and 4-wheelers. The closest dealer to where I live in in Morgantown, West Virginia, of all places, but I guess someone there thought it would be something else to sell Morgans in Morgantown.

They never made their own engines, however, and I don't think they ever went in for racing. But they have been described as the first, last and only sports car.
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We have several mostly Plus 8s in our club. I was pretty gung ho on getting one until I checked the used market!
 
MikeKardec

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The Morgan is a very cool car, it's not uncommon to see them around LA. They were raced in the day and still probably take turn in SCCA and Vintage events. The larger motored units are no doubt beyond the Cobra in performance though their front end's are pretty primitive these days.
 
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