guide on snide

[raf]

I’m sorry, but where was the threat that you saw? Self-deleting my own thread/posts? That’s within my rights, I didn’t need anyone’s permission to withdraw comments.

"Self-Deleting" previous comments, especially concerning labor-intensive Photo comments, when faced from "push-back" from some users (whether justified or not) is basically an insult to others.

Far better to defend your position, and/or admit error on your part. That's how personal credibility grows. and personal knowledge.

"Self-Deleting" is a form of "running away" in the face of opposition. Some opposition might be bogus, and so vigorous discussion is necessary to discover the truth. Some opposition is valid and allows correction of mistaken statements.

It's all in how one handles these things.

Heaven help the person who can't see new facts and admit their old opinions were wrong.

 

[El Marro]

Sorry, I’m late to the party here. Is this the Guide on Hide Part 2?

 

[jchance]

"Self-Deleting" previous comments, especially concerning labor-intensive Photo comments, when faced from "push-back" from some users (whether justified or not) is basically an insult to others.

I generally don’t disagree with what you said, but I don’t see how self-deleting my previously-posted comments is “basically an insult to others” or “threatening”? No one is entitled to my effortful posts or respectful engagement/ disagreement, where there is some merit. If others have too-harsh of a response in responding my posts, I certainly can take back my effortful posts. The labor-intensiveness was mine—to keep or to take back.

I didn’t plan to respond today, and was just going to let it go. But where’s the fun in that? Am I not entertaining you and learning something new in the process? Illegitimi Non Carborundum, wasn’t it? If people have an axe to grind or a bone to pick, this space is open. The topic is on civility and respect, show me your disagreement.

If silence is what you prefer, I’m happy to oblige. I don’t have to share my opinions, as I had shown. A dead forum is filled with silence, whereas an interactive forum could contain heated—respectful—exchanges, but at least it’s alive and well. I’m not shy from countering an argument, if it was respectfully carried out.

 

[The Lost Cowboy]

I'd like to end my interaction here on a positive note.

@jchance : I think you have some great knowledge of leather. I'm not sure how much hands-on experience you have, but your comments are often insightful.

I still haven't put you on ignore and I don't intend to, even if right now you are just annoying as hell.

I hope you will chill out a little and just participate as a member and stop trying to be a leader. You're too new here for that. Leadership will come naturally in time.

Finalky, all this drama is truly too much. Go touch some grass, man - that's where I'm heading.

 

[Biff42]

Sorry, I’m late to the party here. Is this the Guide on Hide Part 2?

No this is the guide on snide thread, lol.

 

[Trouser Bark]

Decorum is what you make of it. When I first logged on there was an assclown called Ton that would occasionally get his jollies saying rude stuff to other people. I dropped the ignore hammer on him and TFL went (for me) from a cool site with an insufferable douche running amok in it to a just a cool site.

If you don't like someone else's manner it's easier to ignore them than to coerce them into meeting your expectations.

The estrogen level in this thread is a little high. No need for any of us to be too serious when we log on here.

 

[El Marro]

Decorum is what you make of it. When I first logged on there was an assclown called Ton that would occasionally get his jollies saying rude stuff to other people.

I love Ton312, I think we could use a lot more of him and his jollies! I guess it just goes to show that one man’s assclown is another man’s friend.

 

[Trouser Bark]

I love Ton312, I think we could use a lot more of him and his jollies! I guess it just goes to show that one man’s assclown is another man’s friend.

Definitely! I've belonged to other sites and had a great time gnawing on some Nimrod's head but in this place where it seems to be discouraged I thought it best to ignore rather than to be a putz myself.

 

[jchance]

No confirmation bias at all, I actually saw your 'pigskin' example before you deleted it. I just didn't feel the need to take part in this discussion as the topic of determining leather by its visual characteristics has been extensively discussed before. It is impossible to distinguish bovine from equine leather unless you perform DNA tests. You might want to lookup old threads about 'storse' (steerhide being sold as horsehide and no one could tell the difference).

Now back to my pigskin comment. I said "most likely" because there is a chance that I'm wrong, but pigskin has a follicle pattern of three dots, not two four and five. Also, look at the back of the collar, no visual pores, looks a lot like capeskin. Knowing that capeskin printed to look like pigskin was a thing back in the 30s, it was and is my opinion that your example is most likely capeskin.

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Interesting. Now that you mentioned it, there are no pores in the shoulder areas either. It could be the case of two different types of leather used for different panels, or not actual pigskin. Either way, thanks; this has prompted me to look at the leather more closely.

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[MrProper]

Wasn't this thread called something else yesterday? Well, anyway.
I would like to see the OP tone it down a bit overall.
For quite some time now, I've been feeling spammed by the many threads started by jchance (and the many old ones revived). They come across as patronising and give me the impression that someone here wants to label themselves an "expert" (perhaps it's the pace and sheer volume?).
And I don't like attitudes such as "this is my thread and I'll do what I want with it". Once a thread has been started, it belongs to everyone, not just the OP. And if I think about what I'm posting beforehand, I don't have to delete it later.
But maybe opposition in a thread destroys the "expert stamp" agenda?
You probably want appreciation for your, as you write, effortful contributions and feel that you're not getting it... well, if that's the case, I would consider why that might be.
Respect is one of those things... you have to earn it, and that rarely works if you act clumsily.
I can't judge whether you really are an expert or just pretending to be, because I don't know enough myself, but if the packaging isn't right, I often don't like the content either.

 

[TartuWolf]

I've been ejoying the recent maker based historic threads started by jchance, but as soon as I opened the "guide on hide" and saw the first posts I though "oh boy, this is NOT gonna go well, this is not a good idea..". Unfortunately I was right. It's just a bad topic because the obvious exotic hides(like stingray, croc, etc..) are too obvious (just googling gives you clear info) and are too exotic/rare to be useful. And the actual common and useful ones (cow, steer, horse, capeskin, pony, etc..) don't have distinct enough characteristics to reliably identify. Even putting printing and pigmented finish topics aside. So the whole topic is pretty doomed from the start, especially if written as a guide (not as a collection of examples and a discussion).

 

[Carlos840]

Decorum is what you make of it. When I first logged on there was an assclown called Ton that would occasionally get his jollies saying rude stuff to other people. I dropped the ignore hammer on him and TFL went (for me) from a cool site with an insufferable douche running amok in it to a just a cool site.

If you don't like someone else's manner it's easier to ignore them than to coerce them into meeting your expectations.

The estrogen level in this thread is a little high. No need for any of us to be too serious when we log on here.

+1, Ton has been a great member for more than a decade, whereas you where added to my ignore list before you hit 10 posts...

It's the beauty of TFL.

 

[ton312]

 

[ton312]

@jchance Here is the reality of why you feel the way you do, at least from my perspective….

You entered the room without any grace. New member, very few posts, little to no evidence of your own collecting or firsthand research. You then publish a bunch of guides (already sunk back into TFL oblivion) using images and data furnished by members here, and you gave no credit where it was due. So it all comes off as very self promoting, a means to elevate your status here. And of course it failed.

Terry, Jeo, Marc….just to name a few, have spent years in a first hand pursuit of discovery and sharing here and they did it organically. This is where most new members here receive some blowback. Noobs who come in loud, like @trouserbark, full of opinions and nothing to back it up or support it, don’t get far.

Had you taken your time, given credit where it’s due, you may have had more success. But you Tommy ***ned a bunch of threads with bad information and at least for me, it reads like stank *** self promotion. There is a reason your threads are not pinned. Think about that for a minute.

 

[zebedee]

This isn’t much fun. Should be shut down. People have had their fair says, no? Probably some newcomer enthusiasm and some seasoned cantankerousness, but we’re all nice joes, etc.

 

[jchance]

There is a reason your threads are not pinned.

It’s funny that people have engaged in some sort of guessing what my agenda is. What am I promoting myself for? I am not a vendor, nor a big time reseller. I don’t need your validations to be an “expert” in your own mind. What use does that give me?

I saw a gap in knowledge that could be filled, I filled some of that gap for the newbies to use. I was a newbie not too long ago, and I remember what it was like, so I documented my learning process. I haven’t (myself) asked for any threads to be pinned, nor do I care. So what if most/all of my threads were not pinned? They exist and newbies can research, find, and read them. If my work is appreciated, that’s fine. If it is not, that’s fine, too. I simply wrote down what I learned and am still learning. The quickest way for me to learn is to risk being wrong, where others would point out the gap in my knowledge and the flaws in my thinking. I’d like to get them fixed, then move on. I don’t think about your existence (or approval) at all, until you come find me.

Some of you came in my threads with mockery and snide remarks. What was my reaction? I thought it was disrespectful, but I put up no fight, and I simply withdrew my opinions. I started threads, you’re not happy. I withdrew my opinions, you’re not happy. If you bare your fangs at me, I didn’t have to meet you at your level, but I did whack you with the decorum stick. Does your seniority allow you to behave about the rules here? I reminded you of your dickish behaviors. My gloves are not off, and I have not put up a fight.

 

[Peacoat]

Everyone has had his say. I don' think there is anything to be gained by leaving this open.

And, as a word of caution, don't start it up in another thread.