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Discussion in 'The Moving Picture' started by Lady Day, Sep 3, 2007.
I enjoyed the book series very much as well.
The book in which the adultery occurs is MUCH different than the show. There is not the antagonism between Ross and Demelza that we see on the show. Ross understands why Demelza is infatuated with Hugh but he believes that he can still trust her. I admit, when I read what she and Hugh did, I had to put the book aside for about a month. It was too triggering for me to deal with (because it reminded me of my now ex-husband's infidelity). Also, I think Hugh is despicable for doing what he did. Ross saved his life. And how does he repay him? By aggressively going after his wife. Demelza tried to put him off several times and Hugh didn't relent. He had no business doing what he did.
Demelza was actually packed and ready to leave after Ross's adultery. Only him begging her for another chance led her to stay and work on the marriage. So yes, she could have left - indeed, she nearly did.
I'm disappointed that the show's writer decided to "spice things up" in the show instead of following the book. Actually, I'm upset with Winston Graham himself because I've read all the books (I have about four left) and this is totally out of Demelza's character, to commit adultery with Hugh. I know Graham wrote this book 20 years after the original books, so maybe that had something to do with it.
Hmmm... Both The Flash and The Arrow are up against "brilliant" mental masterminds.... Just a little originality... please!!!!!
Interesting Poldark discussion. I think this version is much glossier than the original TV adaptation from 20 (+?) years ago and much more watchable, but seems a little 'aimed at a modern audience' if you get me.
Still, nice sideburns.
If it's annoying you, you should stay well, well away from the BBC (?) War & Peace.
I watched it last year after finishing the book as a kind of research on the Napoleonic Wars, and was deeply disappointed by how 'dumbed down' it was. Cheap sexual relationships angle, everything else stripped out. Sad.
BBC's The World War Two Farm. Fascinating stuff on the Home Front, not least just about how tough it was for Britain to be wholly dependent on itself for food production, and how hard rationing bit.
I don't watch Arrow, but I'm forced to agree with this recap of The Flash episode pointing out that if your villain is the smartest man in the world, your writing needs to be smarter!
Of course, yes - I exaggerate. There was the import of food from the Empire, if limited to what got past the U-boats. Faced with the same situation again, I suspect the Brits would struggle now the Empire has long passed.
What's this 'we'? I'm an Irish citizen.
Agreed, and I don't believe the TV series developed much of a reason why Hugh is so infatuated with her. Suddenly, he just was. I get chemistry. One can instantly be strongly drawn to another person, but this is storytelling. TELL IT. I feel the TV series has implied that Ross knows he has a great woman in Demelza, and that makes him understanding of another man being interested in his wife. And as I mentioned before, they've also shown he is aware of his less than ideal treatment of her, so he almost comes across as he feels he has it coming. Guilt. The love interests in this show are very modern, which is one reason why it doesn't rise to greatness. A good show, but nothing great.
I feel the need to reiterate: look into the laws of that period. They were brutal on women. Hell, they were brutal on men if they didn't have status or wealth. I'm willing to bet decent money that had she left in 1780, she could have been arrested for abandonment etc. You simply did not get divorced back then. Someone had to die (be murdered? like the vicar's first wife?) to get out of a marriage. One good reason why there is so much infidelity in the history of the aristocracy. You couldn't get out of the thing, so mistresses were abound. And the women gambled beheading because of the ever-present double-standards. Women had zero legal support or power. Not to mention Demelza being a mother. She certainly wasn't taking the children with her had she attempted to leave.
I believe it was Dowton Abbey where they talked divorce and adultery. This is the early 1900s. A man could simply accuse a woman of adultery and have the courts on their side. A woman needed proof. Multiple witnesses? They didn't go into details, but they implied it was a much different burden of proof for the woman. There was also that plotline where the publisher's wife was clinically insane. She didn't even know who he was, but he couldn't divorce her and re-marry. The power of the church and subsequent laws.
Ross and Demelza are a good match in this way. Both are justice-fighters. The difference being: he was socially allowed to seek justice socially and politically. He could be outward and direct. She wasn't afforded such. She was limited to fighting for justice through her marriage and within her marriage. She had to be indirect and covert. Obviously, neither type justice, or approach or process, was encouraged, but society had different tolerances for man/woman and rich/poor.
Let's just say it's very much a matter of opinion and leave it there.
Hooked on "The Last Kingdom" a Brit series on Netflix. Alfred the Great battling the Danes.....kind of Game of Thrones without the dragons.
Yes, I'm well aware of the history of that time period and how abysmal it was in terms of marriage, divorce, infidelity, etc.
A couple of episodes of season three of Narcos.
More of Narcos.
Another episode of The Punisher. My daughter and I are trying to take our time and not binge watch it, but it's hard! It's very well done.
I just finished the last season of "Fear the walking dead" from amc, it is a great show! I am watching the latest season of "The walking dead" now.
Watched the "Grey Cup"....Canada's super bowl. It was played in a bit of a blizzard to give it a real Canadian feel to it and it turned out to be a hell of a football game.
A classic The Fugitive from its first season. In a small town, Kimble saves a group of kids from a burning school bus, and the town is naturally very grateful to him. The town sheriff and his wife take him in to allow him to recover from the mild concussion he received. But an energetic local reporter snaps a pic of Kimble -- and Lt. Gerard sees it. Kimble winds up behind bars, waiting (ticking clock!) for the paperwork to come back from the state capitol so that Gerard can take him into custody. Though Gerard seems a little less 3-dimensional in this one (he is unwilling to admit that Kimble might be innocent, though that could be because diligent cop Gerard has checked every lead for over a year now), it's dynamite storytelling.
The episode opens with Kimble's recurring nightmare, that Gerard is personally hunting him and will shoot Kimble if he catches him. We see the nightmare again later . . . and Kimble wakes to find the real Gerard staring at him through the cell bars.
Kimble gets in one good shot. He wonders aloud if Gerard has his own nightmare: "You know, I think you have nightmares too. Your nightmare is that when I'm dead you'll find him [the one-armed man]."
[Gerard's jaw tightens slightly, then he turns to leave]
Kimble: "What are YOU running from, Gerard?"
SMILF. new show on Showtime. There's something interesting about this show, but I can't quite put a finger on it. I do like the cast. Not entirely consistent in the writing. It feels like something that could almost be on major network TV or pushed back onto FXX.