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Hi guys- Can someone please school me on a couple Q.'s I had.
1) I was looking to buy a straw fedora hat- seller states its 50's but has the banded edge (wrapped in fabric along the edges) and has a cloth sweatband.Its a Daltons hat and seller states it was from her parents. Says "Milan straw" on the inside. Did they use cloth sweatbands in the 50's ?
I actually looked up Daltons and it said they went out of business in the 1940's.
2) Does banded edges always mean the edges are raw or not finished nicely ? I like the hat but I don't care for the cloth sweatband or the banded edges..i was thinking perhaps I would remove the cloth around the edges but my guess is they wouldn't cover up something that was finished nicely...your thoughts cheerfully accepted.
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1) I was looking to buy a straw fedora hat- seller states its 50's but has the banded edge (wrapped in fabric along the edges) and has a cloth sweatband.Its a Daltons hat and seller states it was from her parents. Says "Milan straw" on the inside. Did they use cloth sweatbands in the 50's ?
I actually looked up Daltons and it said they went out of business in the 1940's.
2) Does banded edges always mean the edges are raw or not finished nicely ? I like the hat but I don't care for the cloth sweatband or the banded edges..i was thinking perhaps I would remove the cloth around the edges but my guess is they wouldn't cover up something that was finished nicely...your thoughts cheerfully accepted.
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I stopped into Optimo the other day, and they told me that with my head shape, I needed a high crown. I'm not sure what that is, outside of something to do with the shape of the top of the hat. What's the difference between a high and a low crown?
Also, as far as etiquette goes, my view is that etiquette follows what's considered commonly acceptable. Since dress hats aren't a common anymore, your minimum should just follow the etiquette for the closest substitute: if you're in a place where people wear cowboy hats, do that. If you're in a place like Chicago, where they aren't, the rules for knit and baseball caps apply (which are much more lenient).
You can always do more than that, but that's like following Emily Post. You might know you're following the correct etiquette, but, at this point, other people probably don't, so it's not necessary.
Also, as far as etiquette goes, my view is that etiquette follows what's considered commonly acceptable. Since dress hats aren't a common anymore, your minimum should just follow the etiquette for the closest substitute: if you're in a place where people wear cowboy hats, do that. If you're in a place like Chicago, where they aren't, the rules for knit and baseball caps apply (which are much more lenient).
You can always do more than that, but that's like following Emily Post. You might know you're following the correct etiquette, but, at this point, other people probably don't, so it's not necessary.
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Quite a broad statement. There are a lot of things others do that we might find abhorrent, middlin', or admirable.
In the realm of hat etiquette, I would usually "judge" those who do not remove their hats during the National Anthem as ignorant, at best. An exception in my judgement that comes to mind would be a female cancer patient. (Sexist? Perhaps.)
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Dalton Hats was actually in business until April, 1952 - at least. That was when the company was sold. I'm sure some older stock was still being sold in the mid 50s. Also, I've seen Dalton hats that are obviously late 50s or even possibly 60s, by their design. I think the name was used for a while after the original company was sold. The later hats are of significantly lower quality. The ones I have I presume are late 40s, possibly early 50s. I've never seen a Dalton straw. Can you get pics?
Also, I'm not certain about the cloth sweatband question. My straw knowledge is limited. What do you mean by "banded edges?" Are you referring to brim binding? That would be (sort of )unusual for a Milan.
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I'll leave the judging to you... I tend to not concern myself with the actions of others when they do not directly encroach on the safety or well being of my family
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If it fits, wear it! Any hat that is over 60 years old is worth our collective admiration. Pics would really help. Sounds like it deserves to be rescued and worn. Welcome to the lounge. Look around at posts from last summer when we all were sportin' our straws for ideas.
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Nice hat. Like the color and the ribbon/bow. Wearable!photos of hat in question..
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https://www.google.dk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=books+on+hat+making+site:thefedoralounge.com
Note what is written in the search field. When you ad " site:thefedoralounge.com" (without the quotes) to the search-string, Google will only return results from TFL. It's a Google feature, you can use with any site
Oh yeah, I forgot to respond before - not many people know this site search tool on google. I often use it (even searched TFL before joining this way). Also if you put a "-" in front of any word (i.e. -word), it will omit search results from that word
I fix/build computers on the side as well as work with a lot of software, thus google and it's tools have been handy in my life
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I have a quick question: would you have any idea as to what price I should ask (or bargain with)? ...I may list it here or possibly eBay. I've searched for "biltmore peluche" through both the classifieds here as well as items that may have sold on eBay in the past with zero results. Any help is greatly appreciated...thanks!
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Bigger Don
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Hope to see this in the What hat are you wearing today? thread.photos of hat in question..
BTW, don't let @blueAZNmonkey find out where it is. He's the king of narrow brims.
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How well does it fit you? Does it have a stampede string to hold it on your head or will it just get in the way?
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No, I'm sorry. Biltmore made quite a few different hats in that finish. Do you have any idea of its age or a best guess...? I dont have any idea of its value or worth. Its only obviously "worth" what someone is willing to pay for it. Set a minimum bid (what you think its worth to you) and see what happens. Color? Condition? Size? Dimensions? Age? These will all help determine value.
Rain Coat, piano bar..Casablanca...glass of wine..."Sing it again, Sam"....(OH hell no, we are gonna do some Jammin') Haha!my guess is that it is pretty much this hat right here but with a diamond crease and tighter pinch
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Jacqueline
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You've been so informative...much appreciated!
We aren't really sure when he purchased it, my husband is thinking he's had it at least 10 or 15 years. Ironically, out of all the hats his father had (he was a true Texas cowboy), Justin (my husband), rarely ever saw him wear this one and it ended up being the only one we inherited. It doesn't look very worn and was kept in a large hat box. The ribbon has what looks like a water spot but I would assume that should come off easily...
We are now trying to contact his dad's wife to see if she recalls when it was purchased...so we'll see what she says if she knows anything about it.
Jacqueline
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So, Justin spoke with his stepmom and according to her, his father already owned the hat when they were married in 1999...
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You are correct. The "crown" is the dome-like section of the hat that directly covers your head. The height of the un-shaped crown (commonly known as "open crown"), measured from the brim up, varies from style to style depending on how the crown will ultimately be shaped. It's quite simple, really--the taller the crown, the more material you have to work with to achieve the shape you want, or, in your case, to accommodate the wearer's head.
I never thought I had a particularly "tall" head myself, but once I started wearing hats regularly I learned rather quickly that I also need hats with higher/taller crowns.