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1940s New York photos

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But I gather that New York City is still a magnet for immigrants. I was there in February 2016 and it seemed --gloriously and excitingly-- that almost everyone was from somewhere else; from Poland and Greece to Nigeria and Indonesia and Taiwan. The world in a tea cup. (Perhaps I exaggerate, I also ran into a fair share of gruff but funny native New Yorkers.) Of course, these days English has become the world's default lingua franca so you don't get quite the same mish-mash of languages anymore, which I kind of regret because I love that kind of stuff.

One of the things I love about NYC is the constant flow of new immigrants from different countries as it gives the city a fresh jolt of people, energy, cultures, etc.

One of the fun quirky things that also comes out of it is that as the older cultures move on - the third and fourth generations are not interested in the old neighborhoods and old family businesses - the newer immigrants sometimes take over.

This is very visible in the pizza business in NYC. Sure, there are the institutions - the big famous pizza places that are still family run (and make a ridiculous amount of money), the national chains that are run according to some corporate plan and the new "hip" pizza places where a slice of organic, blah, blah, blah pizza costs $5 - but there are still many plain-Jane pizza shops that are nothing more than a counter, a place immediately behind it to make the pizza, a bank or two of pizza ovens behind that and a few to several tables and chairs scattered in front or in the back (oh, and a stained drop ceiling, a few scattered pictures of either Rome or NYC on the walls and dispensers of napkins, red pepper flakes, parmesan, oregano, salt and garlic salt either clustered in a stand or two or randomly spread throughout).

I have been frequenting the plain-Jane pizza shops (there's one and sometimes two on nearly every block in parts of the city) since the '70s when they were run and worked by, mainly, Italian immigrant and 1st/2nd generation families. By the '90s, that started to change and the shops were bought and run by, at that time, a lot of Indian and Pakistani families. At first, it was a bit jarring to seeing Indian immigrants flipping pizzas and asking with an Indian accents if you wanted your slice very hot or a soda with it, etc. But after awhile, it just felt right.

I got to know the family running one of the shops in my neighborhood and the story was textbook: They came from India, had saved up to buy the pizzeria, the entire family worked there and they were going to buy more shops and bring more family members over as they saved money here while still sending money to India (but, also, some in India were saving to come here). There was no complaining about America by this family; to them, this was the land of opportunity and they were going to work insanely hard, educate their kids and build a life now and better life for their kids and grandkids. India's economy is much improved today, but then, it was struggling.

But as noted, that was in the '90s; today, these same plain-Jane shops are owned and manned, more often than not, by Mexican or Latin American immigrants. The shops look the same, but the families owing and working in them keep changing based on the immigrant dynamics at the time. Nothing says more to me about NYC than that the same - literally the same - pizza shop that I went to in the early '80s that was owned and run by Italians went through an ownership period by Indians and now is owned by Mexicans - but it looks about the same and the pizza is just as good. God bless crazy America.
 

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Found this shot of the upscale neighborhood around Ebbets Field while cleaning out a hard drive. It's early October 1946, the Dodgers and Cardinals are in the middle of a playoff to decide the pennant and there's a really weird double feature playing at the Patio. And the war's been over more than a year and they still haven't taken down that Victory Loan sign on the front of the ballpark.

Oh, and 33,000 people can see your underpants blowing in the wind.
 
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Vivian Maier Street Photography might also be worth a look, I think she was very talented.

http://www.vivianmaier.com

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I feel like I've seen the second pic (or similar street scene) recreated or in an on-location shot in almost every NYC-based film noir of the '40s.

Note that the "three balls" signage for the pawn shop was put way up on the roof of the building. Knowing that nothing is inexpensive to do, that is a pawn dealer who wanted to make sure his store wasn't missed by a potential customer.
 

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That's the Third Avenue El out front there -- I bet the Liberal Loans guy put his sign up so high so desperate straphangers could get an easy view of it.

You can see why traffic-reformers and Chambers of Commerce wanted to get rid of the Els. How'd you like to have that right in front of your shop?
 
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That's the Third Avenue El out front there -- I bet the Liberal Loans guy put his sign up so high so desperate straphangers could get an easy view of it.

You can see why traffic-reformers and Chambers of Commerce wanted to get rid of the Els. How'd you like to have that right in front of your shop?

Some of those Els still run in Brooklyn and Queens and the streets below them look just like modern versions of the scene in the pic.
 

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That's the Third Avenue El out front there -- I bet the Liberal Loans guy put his sign up so high so desperate straphangers could get an easy view of it.

You can see why traffic-reformers and Chambers of Commerce wanted to get rid of the Els. How'd you like to have that right in front of your shop?

One reason for their demise was the fact that the greater proportion of their rolling stock was wood and many of them were trailers. Steel cars were a lot safer in collisions and everyone knew it, but many of the elevated structures couldn't support the additional weight of a fleet that would have been all steel and MU control.

Elevated railroads were originally designed for wooden cars pulled by small Forney (0-4-4T) locomotives. That's why, on many of the lines stations were situated on slight upgrades from each direction: to assist in acceleration and deceleration.

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...Elevated railroads were originally designed for wooden cars pulled by small Forney (0-4-4T) locomotives. That's why, on many of the lines stations were situated on slight upgrades from each direction: to assist in acceleration and deceleration...
Thank you Sir! I had noticed this on many (if not all) of the "El" stations in the Chicago area and knew there must have been a reason for it, but by the time we got back to Los Angeles it had been forgotten so I never researched it. The more you know... :D
 

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