Retro-extremists? What are we called?

Smuterella said:

I can't settle with the term revivalist due to the religious connotations. Every fibre of my being runs screaming from religion in all its forms.

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For the record, I'm an ATHEIST, ultra-liberal, ex-punk, nihilist, and misanthrope! I've never felt welcomed here, which is why I "lurk" rather than post.

DecoDahlia said:

For the record, I'm an ATHEIST, ultra-liberal, ex-punk, nihilist, and misanthrope! I've never felt welcomed here, which is why I "lurk" rather than post.

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We'll make a section for those that feel unwelcome.

DecoDahlia said:

For the record, I'm an ATHEIST, ultra-liberal, ex-punk, nihilist, and misanthrope! I've never felt welcomed here, which is why I "lurk" rather than post.

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Marry me....x

reetpleat said:

Heck, it could just be a matter of age. Even an ex punk rocker might find it hard to connect or appreaciate loud thumping modern club music, or really out there flaming lips rock that has no real melody. I know the older I get, the less tolerance I have for music I did not grow up with or older.

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Quite. I'm another old punk who reached my early-mid thirties, didn't feel comfortable in the drainpipes and bondage wear any longer, and discovered a wider vintage interest while exploring the Rockabilly Retirement Plan (as I often say, scratch most any rockabilly round here and you're likely to find an old punk lurking underneath). It never leaves you, in my experience anyhow, but.... well, we all gotta grow up sometime..... unless you're Dee Dee Ramone, I suppose, God rest his soul....

Increasingly I hear myself saying "...all young people's music with no tune and you can't hear the words and it's too loud...." Every time I do there's a little less irony in it. There's loads of great stuff out there, but certainly the modern mainstream has nil attraction for me. I did wilfully drop out of the mainstream at fourteen or thereabouts, but somewhere in the intervening twenty one years my off-mainstreamness has gone from a deliberate choice to an incontrvertabile state of being. It's simply and wholly alien to me now.

One thing that does occur to me, looking back.... I do remember losing the last vestiges of my metalhead tendency and going punk at about seventeen (this would have been 1992 or so, three years after discovering the Sex Pistols). To me, it was an important and concious choice that I was a punk living in the nineties, as opposed to attempting to turn the clock back to 1st December 1976, or 27 May 1977, or whatever... Two very different mindsets there. The latter is our Atavist...

Personally, as the discusion wears on, I'm increasingly liking "Lifestyle Atavist" as a collective noun for the harcore vintage-living group the labelling of which was the original purpose of this thread.

As someone who is interested in the period from the POV of carrying on what I like from it in terms of style and culture while selectively embracing the new (prefereably in combination with a 30s/40s/50s aesthetic), I'm icreasingly leaning towards 'dieselpunk'. That, however, leans once more to a period-specific angle, rather than the mindset irrespective of period.



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jamespowers said:

Does getting kicked out of PE for a quarter because you were playing basket ball with a wadded up piece of paper count?

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So that's how it's done..... I never thought of that. They always managed to make me show up and wear their stupid gym kit (even if I did, from seventeen, flat out refuse to wear the shorts, preferring tckie bottoms instead. Still hideous, but better....), however, participation was a whole nother matter.....

About the music, which led to my walking out, the kids were playing trance/house/rave and whatnot. When you work in an office for a long time, you might get used to tuning out Billy Joel, Phil Collins, and even Kenny G, but those grating house drum loops get to you after three minutes. Hell, I understand that when I was a kid punk wasn't for everyone, but at least The Buzzcocks and The Damned could write a hook.

This may appear to be going off topic to everyone, but my main gripe with the music was that it wasn't proper for the atmosphere for our restaurant. On top of that, it attracts hipsters, and those gits don't spend money or leave tips. Indeed, they hang around for hours on one cup of coffee. The last straw came when I was having a Northern Soul night and right in the middle of it, one of the hipster waiters changed the music to house because his friends wanted to hear something current. This, unfortunately, received the majority okay from the partners, and I'll simply have no truck with people who turn off Northern Soul in favor of house. Yeesh, what a bunch of squares.

Regards,

Jack

Senator Jack said:

About the music, which led to my walking out, the kids were playing trance/house/rave and whatnot. When you work in an office for a long time, you might get used to tuning out Billy Joel, Phil Collins, and even Kenny G, but those grating house drum loops get to you after three minutes. Hell, I understand that when I was a kid punk wasn't for everyone, but at least The Buzzcocks and The Damned could write a hook.

This may appear to be going off topic to everyone, but my main gripe with the music was that it wasn't proper for the atmosphere for our restaurant. On top of that, it attracts hipsters, and those gits don't spend money or leave tips. Indeed, they hang around for hours on one cup of coffee. The last straw came when I was having a Northern Soul night and right in the middle of it, one of the hipster waiters changed the music to house because his friends wanted to hear something current. This, unfortunately, received the majority okay from the partners, and I'll simply have no truck with people who turn off Northern Soul in favor of house. Yeesh, what a bunch of squares.

Regards,

Jack

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:eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_clap Makes sense to me.

DecoDahlia said:

For the record, I'm an ATHEIST, ultra-liberal, ex-punk, nihilist, and misanthrope! I've never felt welcomed here, which is why I "lurk" rather than post.

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Many of us have been down that route. It's not as dead an end as some may think.

Atheism's the great new religion that you can be proud of proclaiming.

Senator Jack said:

The last straw came when I was having a Northern Soul night and right in the middle of it, one of the hipster waiters changed the music to house because his friends wanted to hear something current.

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Did the thought of physical violence occur to you? In my opinion it might have been quite apropos.

No, I do not believe that it is ALWAYS wrong to knock the ____ out of someone.

Appropriate violence over a change in music?? That is extremist, retro or not..

Doran said:

Did the thought of physical violence occur to you? In my opinion it might have been quite apropos.

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Yes it did, my friend. Yes it did. As I said, I can understand how punk, hardcore, and even dixieland isn't for everyone, but Northern Soul? That's universal joy.

Regards,

Jack

Feraud said:

Appropriate violence over a change in music?? That is extremist, retro or not..

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Have you heard house music?

"but Northern Soul? That's universal joy."

Not if it has electric guitars in it, it's not!

Sooo . . . . uhhhh . . . . errrr . . . . have we come to a conclusion about whatever the original topic was when this discussion started . . . . ?

But seriously folks, as I said before, I expect no matter what we do, somebody is gonna stick a label on us arbitrarily and we'll be stuck with it.
But here's a thought. I think the Wikipedia article will be a good idea, if it ever happens. (Woo, here's another thought, this discussion has turned into the "Healthcare Debate" of the Fedora Lounge lol ). But what would really have an effect is if some cable news outfit does a piece on the subject. I don't know if that would be good or bad, but it would certainly have an effect.

Feraud said:

Appropriate violence over a change in music?? That is extremist, retro or not..

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Of course you are right, but my general value system allows for a small percentage of variance from what is ideally right on some rare occasions. (I figure it is more realistic to allow for this when it does happen, rather than to insist that it must never ever ever happen.)

Conflicts happen; it is best to avoid violence, and violence should be avoided 99% of the time, but ... well, stuff happens.

Jack, let's write the damn Wikipedia thing already

dhermann1 said:

Sooo . . . . uhhhh . . . . errrr . . . . have we come to a conclusion about whatever the original topic was when this discussion started . . . . ?

But seriously folks, as I said before, I expect no matter what we do, somebody is gonna stick a label on us arbitrarily and we'll be stuck with it.
But here's a thought. I think the Wikipedia article will be a good idea, if it ever happens.

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Jack, I tell you what. Let's write the article. You write it or you and I write it, just to get it up there now. I'm surprised that book "Swing" by Vale isn't already discussed up on Wikipedia because that book more or less does what you want your article to do. Is it?

We can discuss both the vintage scene in general as well as the levels of involvement, which, it seems to me, should most reasonably be divided into three, and these provisional names seem most reasonable:

a.) Lifestyle Atavist
b.) Anachronist or Vintage Buff or Vintage Enthusiast
c.) Occasional Vintage Wearer

We can discuss temporal out-of-place-ness, love of the past, horror of present culture, discuss that last horror's connexion to the punk scene.

I don't mean to bug you with the use of the word "we" -- do it all by yourself if you like; I just want it to get done.

DecoDahlia said:

... I've never felt welcomed here...

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That's because you're a misanthrope. Don't blame me.

DecoDahlia said:

For the record, I'm an ATHEIST, ultra-liberal, ex-punk, nihilist, and misanthrope! I've never felt welcomed here, which is why I "lurk" rather than post.

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Eh, there are all stripes here. I'm an atheist ex-punk (was a punk from about 1986 until about 1993) and there are long debates between myself and the (many) Christians here on one "what is your religion?" thread, and no one ever made me feel unwelcome or verbally abused me or even behaved rancorously. The debates were pretty good, actually. My atheism never made me feel unwelcome and so it should not for you.

As for misanthrope, well, if you dislike humans then you might not feel welcome in various places because of that. But it is rather curious to blame anyone else for feeling unwelcome if you yourself are a misanthrope.

Doran said:

Eh, there are all stripes here. I'm an atheist ex-punk (was a punk from about 1986 until about 1993) and there are long debates between myself and the (many) Christians here on one "what is your religion?" thread, and no one ever made me feel unwelcome or verbally abused me or even behaved rancorously. The debates were pretty good, actually. My atheism never made me feel unwelcome and so it should not for you.

As for misanthrope, well, if you dislike humans then you might not feel welcome in various places because of that. But it is rather curious to blame anyone else for feeling unwelcome if you yourself are a misanthrope.

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misanthrope

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You belong here http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?p=977916#post977916

Warning! Red Alert! Self-destruct imminent! Step away from the categorisation...

Doran said:

...We can discuss both the vintage scene in general as well as the levels of involvement, which, it seems to me, should most reasonably be divided into three, and these provisional names seem most reasonable:

a.) Lifestyle Atavist
b.) Anachronist or Vintage Buff or Vintage Enthusiast
c.) Occasional Vintage Wearer

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I feel a cold creeping shudder down my spine .... shades of Living History v Re-enactment ... This will only end in tears before bedtime...

Write the article but don't introduce class stratification... in geology it may well be good but geology aside, very little good comes of it....