Buying the right Lee 101J

Discussion in 'Outerwear' started by majormajor, Mar 2, 2013.

  1. wcbrown

    wcbrown One of the Regulars

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    i do seem to remember these being short, mine just covers my belt line. in all fairness, any other Lee Rider i have had in my life would have been from the early 70's on, and from what i understand when they added the hand warmer pockets the basic "cut" of these changed also? is this true?
    there are a couple things that tend to make me think this may have been a second and that is why the condition is so supreme. the horizontal hem above the pocket flaps does not line up properly and the zig-zag stitch running vertically from button hole to button hole seems a bit erratic. those 2 items and the length were basically my only questions.
     
  2. tonypaj

    tonypaj Practically Family

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    I'm no expert, but here's my opinion, based on the two jackets that I have right now.

    1) These are short jackets, or some would say very short. I wear them with high rise trousers or chinos. Then they just about cover my belt. With modern stuff I'd think they would possibly reach the top of the belt, maybe not even that.

    2) On one of my jackets the horizontal hem above the pockets lines up, on the other it does not. Never noticed it before.

    3) The zig zag in the front is all over the place on both of them. Never noticed that before, either.

    I'd think that these were mass produced items, not expensive, meant for a bit of abuse. Back in those days there were no stitch by stitch Japanese copies (at least I don't remember them) and I, anyway, was happy to get my hands on anything that looked cool.

    I'd be happy to buy your jacket, but I'm only 6'0, so it would be big. And I would most certainly be happy to wear one that looks like yours.
     
  3. EmergencyIan

    EmergencyIan Practically Family

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    Honestly, I think that you're over analyzing this jacket. It looks just fine, to me. I don't think any of us are going to be able to ease your mind when it comes to your 101-J.

    - Ian
     
  4. wcbrown

    wcbrown One of the Regulars

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    i am just trying to get more educated. its hard to find solid info on these. it seems there are a few of you guys with a lot of knowledge about these and i am trying to pick some brains! i love the jacket, its a matter of a little warmer weather now! hopefully, but the way this winter has been.....! ;)
     
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  5. Raul

    Raul Familiar Face

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    I resurrect this old thread about Lee 101J jackets as I just bought one.
    The jacket has ®MR in the internal label (added in the 70s even though it still has the "101-J" writing that it seems was removed after the 1970), but it has only the ® on the pocket tag (barely visible), the ® only tag was used in the 60s and the MR here was added in the 70s. There is also an union tag inside the left pocket and it has the number in red that according to another thread here was used from 1962 to about 1968 when it became black. So even though this jacket has already the MR in the inside label it could still reasonably be from late 60s, maybe there was a few "transitional" year before both labels had the MR added. Anyone can help to date it more precisely? Does anyone know when ®MR appeared in the internal label? Here is a few pic:
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  6. Blackadder

    Blackadder Call Me a Cab

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    Is it not more likely that older union made labels leftover were used on an early 70s jackets?
    http://www.redcloud.co.jp/detail/lee.htm
    Number in red yet owner dated it 70s.
    https://mydenimblog.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/denim-classics-lee-storm-rider-jacket/
     
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  7. Raul

    Raul Familiar Face

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    Yes, it's possible that for some year they mismatched the labels.
    Anyway that guy's Storm Rider jacket is definitely from 70s as it has a printed (and not embroidered) internal label and a ®MR tag on the pocket.
    By the way that union label with red number was already used in the 50s so it's difficult to date based on it:
    http://www.vintageworkwear.com/2011/07/
    I think mine is probably a bit earlier than his Storm Rider (my internal label is not the typical early 70s one that had lost the "101-J" writing, like this the one below). According to Little's book they began to add the MR in late 60s.
    In any case until early 70s the quality of the jacket was still very good, about the same of the previous years, it's from the 80s that they began to cut the corners and also changing the patterns of they jackets, so I am very happy with mine whether it's from 1968 or 1972
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  8. abone2010

    abone2010 One of the Regulars

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    I spent my career in the heavy equipment business, working for a Cat dealer in Western Canada. Here’s a pic of me calling on a logger in the early 80’s sporting my Lee jacket. This jacket was bought probably 77 or 78.
    Any idea what model it is? Wish I still had it. I was a Lee man back then, jackets and jeans. 1BB56FAD-729F-4C68-9526-CC4FFCBDDF4D.jpeg
     
  9. Blackadder

    Blackadder Call Me a Cab

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    It becomes model 220 after they lose the 101J on the label. I think one of the major change is the fabric used.
     
  10. Raul

    Raul Familiar Face

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    So as long as the 101-J was on the label we can infer that the quality of the jacket, and also the fabric, remained pretty much the same?
     

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