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Edward

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As an English Teddy Boy, Fonzie was considered very Un-Cool.

I'm not surprised by that. I suspect had I been a Ted back then I'd have been about as impressed with him as Showadabloodywaddy. :eusa_doh:

In the 1980s I went to a fancy dress party in an A2, wide brimmed trilby and borrowed a whip from a 'western' friend. Untill they saw the whip the other fancy dressers thought I was meant to be Howard Hughes.

Educated crowd!

I had never heard of an English Teddy Boy...until it was mentioned on this forum. Was there ever a film made about them? During what time period were they popular?

It originated with Guards Officers based in London in the early Fifties - it is often said that those who opted for the look were specifically the gay contingent among the Guards Officers, although given that was long before the decriminalisation of male homosexuality in England in 1967, it's difficult to evidence that. Probably a air assumption as so many fashion trends then as now originated within he gay community as I understand it, but nonetheless unproven to my knowledge. Anyhow, it didn't remain their preserve or long: working class kids soon got in on the act and that is when it became a 'street' thing. While so often associated with the rock and roll boom of the mid Fifties, it actually predates the arrival of rock and roll by a good couple of years, though once that arrived it did become an integral part of the Ted scene.

Rocketeer could tell us better having been there, but my understanding is that, as with the punk rock that arrived a generation later, it was never the mainstream trend that popular history would have it, always very much a subculture - and, of course, one that continues to this day. Just last month I was sitting outside a cafe on the Strand when a Ted family (looked to me like three generations, and I'm certain Grandpa was the right age to have been there in 54) walked across the road from the Savoy and got in a cab. Proper, old-school Fifties look on the lot of them - pinstripes, half velvet collars, not a sniff of late Seventies Dayglo about them. Sharp as razors. I'd have asked if I could take their photo had I not been slightly in awe of them. Certainly wouldn't have crossed them. Big guys. I've got a couple of drapes myself (one more psychobilly, really), both shawl collared. I love the look. I'd adore to have a proper Colin Taub drape suit, but as of yet I don't know I'd get the wear out of it. Ironic that Teds and punks ended up facing off in 77 - they were really so alike in so many ways.

I don't highly recommend Lords Of Flatbush. It's not worth buying, but if you catch it on TV or rent it's interesting to see a pre-Happy Days Henry Winkler and a pre-Rocky Stallone.

I've never seen it anywhere on sale.... I wodner has it even come out on DVD (you'd assume so, given the names in it, but...).

1950's-60's I'm fairly sure a couple of the Beatles were Teddy's when they were young. It's one of the classic looks of the 1950's. It was a retro Edwardian look (post 1901) with stove pipes and fancy suits - like an Edwardian dandy (hence Teddy). Not really leather jacket wearing in their original form. They were one of the first identified youth subcultures.

Stove pipes.... that what they call the drainpipe trews round your way? Took me a minute to twig, I thought you were talking hats... ha.... The one snag for me, Teds are all about the hair, not hats... I tend to reach for a porkpie with the drape, but it's not an original part of the look.

As memory serves, Lennon was a bit of a Ted, George was too young, Macartney was too "nice"... Ringo might have been, I'm not sure. He was certainly older than the others.
 
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1950's-60's I'm fairly sure a couple of the Beatles were Teddy's when they were young. It's one of the classic looks of the 1950's. It was a retro Edwardian look (post 1901) with stove pipes and fancy suits - like an Edwardian dandy (hence Teddy). Not really leather jacket wearing in their original form. They were one of the first identified youth subcultures.Fonzie was just a generic greaser with a heart of gold. Then as the show evolved (and quickly) he became a magical figure with superpowers.
Yup. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teddy_Boy_(song)
 

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The very first "Happy Days" episode was a segment on the show "Love, American Style". It was pretty authentically '50s in look and dialogue for a '70s production, much more so than in the series that followed. Take a look.


[video=youtube;fhFDkatc-e4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhFDkatc-e4[/video]
 
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I remember when The Lords of Flatbush came out. I also remember the cheesy trailer.

[video=youtube;2f9YmJjdpGI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f9YmJjdpGI[/video]

Jinkies, that looks like it could be stupendously, hilariously awful.... I must find it!

The song in the trailer would have been amazing if the SEX PISTOLS had recorded it.

Ha! Yes...

There probably would have been a few more choice words added to the lyrics...

Likely! Depending on whether you got the real Pistols, or the Vicious and even (Heaven help us all) post-Rotten article, it would either have been cleverly and genuinely subversive, or jut a silly bit of fun....
 

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Who's On Top

It was funny to see The Lords of Flatbush in the late 70s and 80s. You could tell which actor was up, by the TV listings. The official order was, Perry King, Sylvester Stallone, Henry Winkler, and Paul Mace. After Happy Days came out, Henry got top billing, then Rocky came out, Stallone, then Rip Tide in the 80s put Perry back on top. Poor Paul never seemed to get top billing! Not sure who is on top this year?
 

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It always bugged me that Fonzie didn't ride a Harley, especially since he lived in Milwaukee on the show.
Don't worry Tom, not only did The Fonz not ride a Harley, he never rode a Triumph either. Henry could not ride at all, they pushed him so he could cost into the seen, or they put the bike and him on a trailer and towed him. The most famous motorcycle rider of all times and he was nothing but a poser!
 

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Rocketeer could tell us better having been there, but my understanding is that, as with the punk rock that arrived a generation later, it was never the mainstream trend that popular history would have it, always very much a subculture - and, of course, one that continues to this day. Just last month I was sitting outside a cafe on the Strand when a Ted family (looked to me like three generations, and I'm certain Grandpa was the right age to have been there in 54) walked across the road from the Savoy and got in a cab. Proper, old-school Fifties look on the lot of them - pinstripes, half velvet collars, not a sniff of late Seventies Dayglo about them. Sharp as razors. I'd have asked if I could take their photo had I not been slightly in awe of them. Certainly wouldn't have crossed them. Big guys. I've got a couple of drapes myself (one more psychobilly, really), both shawl collared. I love the look. I'd adore to have a proper Colin Taub drape suit, but as of yet I don't know I'd get the wear out of it. Ironic that Teds and punks ended up facing off in 77 - they were really so alike in so many ways.



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I was actually one of the 1970s Teds but not dayglo haha. Edward is correct though as Teds evolved from the pre war gangster types depicted in films such as Brighton Rock(the Richard Attenborough version), I think these kids were known as cosh boys and certainly not to be taken lightly. Then post war the Teddy boy look evolved, again very violent. An old friend of mine had the honor[sic] of being thrown down the stairs of a Northern nightclub by no other than the late Jimmy Saville who was a professional wrestler at the time.
The 1970s Teds were also a crowd not to be messed with but unlike the 50s you could travel around to clubs and not get set upon by other Teds just for being on 'their' manor. usually trouble was caused by Punks, spilling beer or chatting up someone else's girl or a bit later on rivalry between Rockabilly's and Teds.
Today their are a few left overs from the 50s though these guys will be in their 70s probably, lots of 70s Teds trying to look like 50s Teds with a few younger people involved though nowhere near the scale of the 1970s with only a very few adopting the 1970s bright look.
We all had our drapes made to measure by our favourite tailor, Burton, Hepworth are just two, or any bespoke tailor would make one if you had the cash, £77 in 1978 was a lot of money to me and that was just for a jacket, if not enogh £££ then off the peg from some specialist shops.
Colin Taub is about the most prolific tailer these days as he specialises in drapes I think. To be honest I think the European continentals take the Ted thing a bit more seriously than some of us in the UK now, there are still a few part time teds known as Jive Bunnies as their real interest is dancing rather than the culture. We called them Plastic Teds in the 1970s, a bit like Showaddywaddy.

Lords of Flatbush! Sh*t, if I remember it. Though Henry Winkler looked cooler than Fonzie ever could.

Finally, Is Fonzareli real name? I didnt think Strabbler was at one time but it is apparently.
 

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Henry Winkler may not have ridden well, but he did ride at least enough to get through a few scenes. He rides through a couple shots in the earlier show intros and is clearly neither on a trailer nor being pushed. As anyone who rides will tell you, it's much harder to control a bike while being pushed than it is to ride it under it's own power.
 

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Is this what you are talking about..?
Hmm..interesting.

[video=youtube;GS2j79Xhsjo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS2j79Xhsjo&NR=1&feature=endscreen[/video]
OK, I'll probably get lynched for some of my comments but here goes.
If the photo shows, young men with no cars in the pics, it's probably a 1950s picture.
If the photo shows, mostly men over 40 years of age then its a recent pic.
Young men with wild haircuts, coloured drape jackets, American cars etc are probably from the 1970s-mid 1980s.
The pictures with the girls are Ken Russell's study from the 1950s.
The 1970s, the decade that style forgot they say. If thats how some look at it then they never had the best of it, Punks n all.
 

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This is a VERY interesting discussion. Learned somethings I didn't know. Heard of the "Mods vs. Rockers" peripherally in the 70's and 80's. I suffered through the Rockabilly revival in in 80's. Of course on my side of the pond guys that looked and dressed like that didn't exist up north very much and when I visited the South as a kid I did as my parents warned... ran like hell in the opposite direction when I spotted them. Very interesting.

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. . . I suffered through the Rockabilly revival in in 80's. Of course on my side of the pond guys that looked and dressed like that didn't exist up north very much and when I visited the South as a kid I did as my parents warned... ran like hell in the opposite direction when I spotted them. Very interesting . . .

Worf

I assure you the rockabilly scene is alive and well, if a bit underground at the moment . . . and it's "revival" on this side of the pond started "up North" in Massapequa, NY, at the home of one Brian Setzer. In fact, the rockabilly crowd are some of the most die-hard retro fanatics out there. Most of them dress it, live it and breathe it every single day.
 

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Henry Winkler may not have ridden well, but he did ride at least enough to get through a few scenes. He rides through a couple shots in the earlier show intros and is clearly neither on a trailer nor being pushed. As anyone who rides will tell you, it's much harder to control a bike while being pushed than it is to ride it under it's own power.
I will let Henry talk for himself! It is a lot easier to coast then to ride, no throttle no clutch lever, just brakes and balance. Yes I have been riding since the 60s. [video=youtube;09WkCaeaATk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09WkCaeaATk[/video]
 

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I assure you the rockabilly scene is alive and well, if a bit underground at the moment . . . and it's "revival" on this side of the pond started "up North" in Massapequa, NY, at the home of one Brian Setzer. In fact, the rockabilly crowd are some of the most die-hard retro fanatics out there. Most of them dress it, live it and breathe it every single day.
I have most of the Brian Setzer Orchestra releases....of course I come from Wanda Jackson territory!
 

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Hoosierdaddy, because of that video, I began a several hours long viewing of all things Ted and Rocker, daddy-O!
Now, my wife is convinced I'm looking at porn because of the term "brothel creepers." You might have to get a spare bunk ready.......
 

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