Show us your suits

Discussion in 'Suits' started by Matt Deckard, Sep 29, 2003.

  1. Michael A

    Michael A I'll Lock Up

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  2. Mean Eyed Matt

    Mean Eyed Matt Practically Family

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    Nice and interesting suit, Michael!
    But with these Bavarian hunting/loden clothes it is really difficult
    because the cuts are in use for a very long time.
    Also the logo "Bavaria-Loden" was used at least until the 90s...
    My first gut feeling said 60s - but really just a feeling!
    And I am really not an expert - there are others...

    Maybe you can take pictures of the lining, the buttons
    and the buckles of the trousers and jacket?
    Does the pants have a zipper?
    I think the small details are the most helpful here...
     
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  3. Michael A

    Michael A I'll Lock Up

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    Thanks for the answer Matt. Here are a few pics.
    Waistband clip working side
    [​IMG]IMG_7935 crop by Michael A2012, on Flickr
    Waistband clip back side
    [​IMG]IMG_7936 crop by Michael A2012, on Flickr
    Trousers zipper
    [​IMG]IMG_7939 by Michael A2012, on Flickr
    Trousers buckles
    [​IMG]IMG_7940 crop by Michael A2012, on Flickr
    [​IMG]IMG_7941 crop by Michael A2012, on Flickr
    Jacket in seam pocket zippers
    [​IMG]IMG_7946 by Michael A2012, on Flickr
    [​IMG]IMG_7947 by Michael A2012, on Flickr
    No idea about this little pocket in pocket
    [​IMG]IMG_7944 crop by Michael A2012, on Flickr
    I might have said it was just a seam given way, but it's lined both sides with cotton drill
    Jacket button
    [​IMG]IMG_7942 by Michael A2012, on Flickr
    Lining
    [​IMG]IMG_7949 by Michael A2012, on Flickr
    [​IMG]IMG_7948 by Michael A2012, on Flickr
    [​IMG]IMG_7950 by Michael A2012, on Flickr
    seems to be a fairly heavy cotton
    Size tag
    [​IMG]IMG_7951 by Michael A2012, on Flickr

    Most of the Bavaria Loden I found online was attributed, without supporting evidence, to the 70s-80s period. I couldn't find any mention of Herrmann Jagdsport.

    Thanks,
    Michael
     
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  4. Mean Eyed Matt

    Mean Eyed Matt Practically Family

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    I'm really not a professional, but if you're lucky,
    Fastuni will get in touch with you (or you with him?)
    Could you post it in the corresponding threat as well:
    https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/show-us-vintage-german-suits.62278/
    I think there was also a discussion about the dating of zippers,
    but I did not find it. But Fastuni knows I'm sure...

    The hooks + eyelets give a first clue: "Gutos"
    https://gutos.de/en/index.html
    "...have been closely connected for more than 65 years."
    This leads us to the mid 50s or younger

    The company "Zipp" already existssince 1930,
    "Opti" also since the mid 30s (1936?).
    One can classify them by the shape, I think, as said.
    May be you find it here? I did not...
    https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/zippers.5809/

    From the feeling (!) I stay with the 60s (maybe late 50s),
    but the zipper pros can certainly help (if the zippers are still original...)
     
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  5. Michael A

    Michael A I'll Lock Up

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    Thanks Matt. If Fastuni doesn't happen to drop into this thread in the next week I'll move the questions over to the German suit thread. My own general feeling tends toward the 60s as well, possibly a decade newer that that. As you say, with hunting clothing there aren't a lot of dating clues in the design as you can still buy nearly identical designs made today.

    I will say that I'm immensely happy with my purchase of this set. It's been my go to cold weather bicycling outfit and I expect it will remain so until it gets so cold that I have to go with even heavier gear. It is very comfortable to wear and all the pockets are handy when I got out without pannier bags. I am definitely a fan of loden cloth.

    Thanks,
    Michael
     
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  6. Peacoat

    Peacoat Bartender Bartender

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    Dinerman did a Guide to dating zippers. It is found here:

    https://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/zipper-dating-a-fedora-lounge-guide.73890/

    Didn't see a Zipp zipper, however.
     
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  7. Fastuni

    Fastuni Call Me a Cab

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    1960's is correct.

    The labels, cut of the jacket and the "Kniebundhosen" (non flaring breeches) with Zip-fly are also very indicative for these years.

    The Gutos buckle and rectangular Zipper became widespread in the 1950's.
    I am sure if you loosen the cloth-strap from the Gutos Buckle you will find the "DBP" (German Federal Patent) embossed, introduced in 1949.
     
  8. Michael A

    Michael A I'll Lock Up

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    Thanks Fastuni. I really like that buckle system on the breeches. I've tried to turn up a US dealer, but no luck so far.

    As I mentioned I am getting a lot of wear out of this set for intermediate/cold weather bicycling. Seems like it was designed for that as much as for hunting. The breeches have double cloth and seemingly some padding through the crotch area. Perfect on the bike.

    Thanks for the information,
    Michael
     
  9. Loz Dawes

    Loz Dawes Familiar Face

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    Sexton OS Bespoke.jpg

    Edward Sexton Offshore Bespoke D/B suit, in 70% WOOL, 30% MOHAIR – 330gms – 12oz, from Stanley Mills in Bradford....
     
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