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Discussion in 'Suits' started by Mr_D., Aug 21, 2010.
Perhaps we could send his spirit where it belongs...
Oops slight detour down to the lower end of the tweed and jeans thread to the shoes.
They came and I was left astounded. Are these brogues.....or a work of art?!
They are shockingly expertly crafted. I've never seen a triple welt in my life! The only welt I've seen before are insect ones during summer. The whole brogue is incredibly crafted.
Now I don't think I can bring myself to wear these in the rain even if the holes let the rain out. I can't even bring myself to wear them in case it destroys the wooden etched sole. This is going to be really hard to take them out of the box. They still have that bit of a too much upmarket look for me, but I suppose I will get used to to it. Or maybe the majority are right (today, the tweed&jeans=tacky group are winning the poll by a whisker!) and jeans are too casual .... not for tweed...but for brogues?!
Until I do, I might have to try and see if tweed and jeans go with flip flops....
Thanks everyone and MisterCairo's spot on. Apologies if my tongue in cheek is coming across as rude to anyone!
For me the only time I would do jeans and a sportscoat would be if the jacket is western style and only with dark blue cowboy wranglers or Levi 501s and of course with boots otherwise I would always do slacks .
What breed are your brogues? (You might have said, but I think I missed it). I tend to wear brogues with everything, work equally well with denim as tweed trews. Though the closest I own to a pair of trainers these days is a pair of saddle shoes that I wear in Summer...
They're the triple welt Grensons in brown with the really fancy leather sole with the carvings. They look more like a piece of sheer artistic craftsmanship rather than something to wear and forget about though. The triple welt makes them really distinctive - I've never seen another maker approach shoemaking this way so I figured this was the one to get.
I've no idea how to wear brogues. Laces I'm definitely no good with (one is always longer than the other, or has a loose end by the end of the day. They are really smart, but the rest of my wardrobe hasn't caught up and yet it's funny how they aren't 'formal' as such. I'm sure I will have my bad dress days with plaid shirts and farm pants with brogues (not forgetting the tweed jacket).
Grenson make a nice shoe. Of all the English Brogues, my favourites would be Trickers - but they are pricey. Grenson make a lovely shoe which really holds its own against Loake, Barker and such.
I wear brogues with jeans all the time. Back when, before the invention of the modern training shoe, it was a lot more common to wear what today is considered a "dress shoe" with workwear. Interestingly, Grenson's marketing most commonly shows their shoes being worn with Selvedge denim...
Thanks - I don't know Trickers at all. Will have to check them out. I recognise the Grenson version from their design but can't tell the difference between looks for a Loake or Bally. Dress shoes have never been my thing. I have an anti-ankle attitude - I can't stand anything other than black or grey socks and find ankle flashers really peculiar strange.
My first preference would have been for a pair of Cheaney Tigermoths but I'm trying to look like I'm not completely indifferent to the way I blunder into clothes for work. I'm sure I've seen tweed and brogues go well. With jeans of course. *Ahem*!
Googled those Cheaneys - very nice. Trickers are very much in the same style ballpark as Grenson's more countrified shoes - http://www.trickers.com/ - plenty of broguing and grained leather. Beautiful, but serious money. In the 'lasta lifetime of hard wear with the odd resoling' category. I'd choose them over Church's these days.
Brogues are such a traditional shoe that it's not always going to be obvious, telling one brand from the other. With Loake and Grenson, even Barker, I'd buy whichever came up at a good price and not worry overy about which was which.
Aren't they?! Shame about the near £500 price tag!
Wow Trickers are as dear as the Grensons' Triple Welt. Some fantastically creative variations. The Triple Welt has 3x stitching - I've not seen any other brogues made this way. I'm really surprised at how comfortable they are! I thought they would be like walking on wooden stilts. They are incredibly well-made though.
I saw this on the Trickers website - love this kind of pebbled material although not brogue style:
Would that go with tweed & jeans. (Well I have to ask, otherwise it's off-topic!)
Well, I have a pair like that in black. They go with jeans. It's probably a non-question by now since it seems the people hell-bent on wearing workwear with a tweed jacket (or odd jacket) are just doing it.
The pebble-grain is nice. I've seen it with pigskin, but not with leather very often. What make is yours? The texture goes well in contrasting with tweed or anything. Smooth grain isn't really something I like (lack of character).
Tweed jackets are out! We're losing 16:13 this week. Next week maybe is the day for tweed jackets & jeans & brogues.
If anyone dares stand on my new brogues on the metro, my umbrella might not be able resist stabbing them in the feet.
Mine are a Dutch make (or brand rather) Van Gils. I use them fairly roughly, rather than as regular wear. I don't mind smooth-grained shoes, though I like a bit of brogueing or other detailing.
Tweed jackets are not out, this poll is only for jacket and jeans, not specifically tweed jackets. They are well in, just not with jeans. FL are a discerning group of fellows.
No idea. Might have been dumped after.
On the other hand, tweed jackets are forever!
Van Gils?? They make rain coats and outerwear, right? My father had one!
Of course tweed jackets are not out. It's pouring cats and dogs and tarantulas out there today...!
Well I am getting used to the idea of detailing maybe just a little at the floor end , but the dandying of mens clothing I'm too unfashionable to care for
I like a little dandyism now and again!
All cashzzz all the time has run its course...
Tweed is dandy, right?
If it didn't rain everyday maybe I would make a little more of a hip effort.
I wouldn't call tweed "dandy", just DANDY!
I'm not sure there's anything dandy about tweeds. They're just country clothes and the knockabout clothes of yesteryear. You can tell the sartorial degeneration of a society when yesterday's informal wear becomes seen as today's 'dress' wear.
That's the big thing I've learned over time - aside from basic quality, a higher end shoe will typically beat its cheaper rivals by being much more comfortable, right from the off. (Not always, mind!).
Yes, I very much like a nice grained leather finish myself. I'm particularly fond of shoes with a shiny toecap and heel cup, and grained in the middle where they flext the most (at the balls of the feet) - grained leather, in my experience, lasts many more years of flexing without splitting than does smoothe leather.
If you're happy with the basic premise of jeans and a tweed jacket, then I don't see any reason why those boots wouldn't work with both. I'd wear them with either, if not together.
It's favoured by many dandies - anarchodandies in particular.
Clothes are never in themselves dandy - dandy lies in how they are worn.
Great - thanks for all the advice. I see Trickers market brogues under their 'country' collection. Surprise for me, since I never knew of their farm history legacy until you mentioned the holes were for rain to leak out.
I is really scchocked! http://www.tweedrun.com/
Yes it does seem that the tweed cut and fit and way it's worn really contributes to whether it looks like a historical relic worn as a costume, instead of a contemporary piece of clothing which can blend in post-modern comfortable. See how they all wear tweeds!
Looks like London is a strong epicentre for tweed culture. Not many tweed and jeans in the photos which I can see. Many brogues and newsboy caps though.