I don't know. I like my jeans roomy, wide legged, hight waisted and sturdy. My favourit is and was always Pike Brothers cut in 1940s fit. They are very durable and look good. Their denim is woven in Turkey. All are selvedge and come in 11oz, 15oz and I think the newest are also availlable in 20oz. They develope a very nice blue after the sulfur is gone with many washes over time. I don't call myself a "denim head", I just came back to wearing jeans, since there are some "newer" brands on the market dedicated to get old school jeans right. And when this means using the old ways of producing them and dying them and when this means more work, higher costs, so be it. I am not one of those guys who always try to get things cheaper. This can lead to a downward spiral in everything quality and wages for the workers IMO. This is my new pair. I think it is a tad big on me. But for my usual romp about with my kids group in the woods I like more freedom of movement.