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That's right. It says nothing more than what it is they enjoy. I'm fortunate enough to have met, and enjoy spending time with, many wonderful people from extremely diverse groups, with all different kinds of interests, and who wear all different kinds of clothing. I've also had the misfortune to meet an awful lot of dickheads, from extremely diverse groups, with all different kinds of interests, and who wear all different kinds of clothing.

would you also say that art, music and literature choices don't say anything about a person either ?

I have been unable to find any way to tell who's going to e a nice person to know and who isn't. And I've certainly never been able to discern anything of significance about a person from their choice of clothing.

It seems like a common example in this thread to mention a chap who looks like a tramp and talks to himself. The idea is that this is a man you can tell a lot about. Well, I know a chap (old friend of the Baroness) who literally dresses like a tramp. Seeing him on the street you would imagine that he was indeed a tramp (a bit like if Goldie was to have gone on the tramp), shambling along in knackered old boots and tweeds. Until you hear his music, and talk to the man, that is. But from the outside, there is absolutely no way you could say anything about the man.
 

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To be honest, one of the most attractive men I've known once famously said: "For Halloween, I'm gonna dress as a homeless dude who's on heroin. No wait, that's every day!" Same guy also told me: "I only wash my hair when I dye it. Is that gross?"

Also a brilliant musician, and completely OCD with everything related to music, but not so much when it came to appearance! :)
 
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I think camo dress shoes would be appropriate with these outfits..

And instead of a veil the bride can wear a ghillie net. :p

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That's right. It says nothing more than what it is they enjoy. I'm fortunate enough to have met, and enjoy spending time with, many wonderful people from extremely diverse groups, with all different kinds of interests, and who wear all different kinds of clothing. I've also had the misfortune to meet an awful lot of dickheads, from extremely diverse groups, with all different kinds of interests, and who wear all different kinds of clothing.

I have been unable to find any way to tell who's going to e a nice person to know and who isn't. And I've certainly never been able to discern anything of significance about a person from their choice of clothing.

Exactly.
 

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It says nothing more than what it is they enjoy.

...Well, I know a chap (old friend of the Baroness) who literally dresses like a tramp. Seeing him on the street you would imagine that he was indeed a tramp (a bit like if Goldie was to have gone on the tramp), shambling along in knackered old boots and tweeds. Until you hear his music, and talk to the man, that is...

ah, but you've just admitted that he's interesting because of his music (and possibly intellect too) so clearly music and other art forms say much more than merely be something to enjoy.
(the word enjoy seems more suitable for talking about ice cream flavours rather than art). also, many of my favourite people i like only because they produce great art. they may actually be obnoxious in real life.
 
ah, but you've just admitted that he's interesting because of his music (and possibly intellect too) so clearly music and other art forms say much more than merely be something to enjoy.
(the word enjoy seems more suitable for talking about ice cream flavours rather than art). also, many of my favourite people i like only because they produce great art. they may actually be obnoxious in real life.

Well, sort of. Certainly as a musician, music cannot but be a very large part of who the man is. However, it does not follow that because he makes music of a certain kind that he is a certain type of person. (Consider, on the flip side, if someone were to say that one had to be a certain type of person to produce pleasing (to the observer) music/art etc. I think we'd both agree this to be absurd. A bit of a logical fallacy, I know, but it does naturally stem from the notion we're discussing here.)

His long time musical collaborator, for example, is by general consensus one of the most obnoxious, hateful, horridly egototistical morons in history. His discography would essentially be the same as the friend of the Baroness.

So, long way round to short answer: My view is that drawing conclusions from outward appearances is impossible. This is not to say that people can't find what others wear/like silly or offensive or whatever other word, but simply that those reactions do not impart any wisdom to the observer re: the nature of the observed, and should certainly not be considered, or put forth as, "truth".

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It seems like a common example in this thread to mention a chap who looks like a tramp and talks to himself. The idea is that this is a man you can tell a lot about. Well, I know a chap (old friend of the Baroness) who literally dresses like a tramp. Seeing him on the street you would imagine that he was indeed a tramp (a bit like if Goldie was to have gone on the tramp), shambling along in knackered old boots and tweeds. Until you hear his music, and talk to the man, that is. But from the outside, there is absolutely no way you could say anything about the man.

But isn't your friend projecting the image that he is a tramp? Don't most musicians dress like tramps?

So, long way round to short answer: My view is that drawing conclusions from outward appearances is impossible. This is not to say that people can't find what others wear/like silly or offensive or whatever other word, but simply that those reactions do not impart any wisdom to the observer re: the nature of the observed, and should certainly not be considered, or put forth as, "truth".

I don't understand. How is drawing conclusions about someone's outward appearance impossible? At the basic level, when a person wears a particular article clothing there is the implicit conclusion that they like what they are wearing. People draw conclusions, correlations may be a better word, based on the data that they see. Different groups adopt different clothing. This differentiates them from other people and other groups.
 
But isn't your friend projecting the image that he is a tramp?

No, he's just quite cash poor … and a little bit mad.

Don't most musicians dress like tramps?

Eh? I mean, honestly, is this one even worth engaging with?

Baron K said:
So, long way round to short answer: My view is that drawing conclusions from outward appearances is impossible. This is not to say that people can't find what others wear/like silly or offensive or whatever other word, but simply that those reactions do not impart any wisdom to the observer re: the nature of the observed, and should certainly not be considered, or put forth as, "truth".

I don't understand. How is drawing conclusions about someone's outward appearance impossible?

Back to semantics, I know :)eusa_doh:), but consider the difference between the word "from" (I used) and the word "about" (you used) in this context, see how it changes the import of the sentence, then try again.

At the basic level, when a person wears a particular article clothing there is the implicit conclusion that they like what they are wearing.

You got it!

People draw conclusions, correlations may be a better word, based on the data that they see. Different groups adopt different clothing. This differentiates them from other people and other groups.

Oh no … no you didn't.
 
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No, he's just quite cash poor … and a little bit mad.



Eh? I mean, honestly, is this one even worth engaging with?





Back to semantics, I know :)eusa_doh:), but consider the difference between the word "from" (I used) and the word "about" (you used) in this context, see how it changes the import of the sentence, then try again.



You got it!



Oh no … no you didn't.

I'm surprised by the snide remarks, Baron. Truly. For someone who has devoted 8,900 posts to this forum and then to sink to this level is disheartening. If I hurt your feelings because I disagreed with your position that all clothing is subjective then I apologize. I simply wanted you to explain your position more thoroughly. It is obvious you cannot.
 

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