I received another great jacket from Carrie in their dark hickory Vancouver. I chose the half cuff sleeves instead of zips which originally came too long and wide in the sleeves. Carrie shortened and narrowed the sleeves and it came out great! This leather is definitely more grainy yet much softer than the bainbridge leathers. I would say thickness is very similar between the two. It also is very shiny which should dull with wear and abuse.