indieflmkr
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indieflmkr said:
jeep44 said:Note to M1 Carbine owner: remove the bayonet holder ,please.
MrBern said:Glad to see youre still out there, Troy! What were you shooting, 35mm?
-bern
Care to enlighten those of us with merely a casual interest in such matters, what is so wrong with the picture, apart from what looks like partly-finished roof framing in the background, no doubt an unlikely sight in the Ardennes at the time......JoshK said:The photographs look good except for this one:
http://public.fotki.com/mlif/re-enactment_photos/big_lake_mn/dec-2009/hn8s8528-jpg.html
I mean that is also inexcusable.
-Josh
dr greg said:Care to enlighten those of us with merely a casual interest in such matters, what is so wrong with the picture, apart from what looks like partly-finished roof framing in the background, no doubt an unlikely sight in the Ardennes at the time......
JoshK said:Is it in the ETO or PTO?
Then again it is the MARCH of 1945 basically the end of the war. 99.99% of M1 Carbines used during the Second World War would have had the type 1 barrel band and sight. Add that a decent reproduction of those parts goes for $30 dollars it is inexcusable. You don't need to use a carbine, if it is not correct don't bring it out. It is that simple. Look at the production numbers of the Bayonet lug before the end of hostilities add to that time it took for the parts to get to the armorers and the carbines with them to be distributed it wouldn't have been seen till MARCH of 1945. I mean simply because you have one picture of it does not mean you should do it, a good general rule is don't do it unless you have three photographs from of different people around the same time and the same unit that you are portraying it should be good. Even then there are exceptions, your impression should be based off of what the average soldier in the unit you are portraying at that time you are portraying would be wearing/using and simply a bayonet lugged carbine does not meet those criteria for any World War II Impression except for maybe 4th MARDIV Camp Maui after Iwo Jima.
The photographs look good except for this one:
http://public.fotki.com/mlif/re-enactment_photos/big_lake_mn/dec-2009/hn8s8528-jpg.html
I mean that is also inexcusable.
-Josh
Having fired one myself many times I did think it unusual that it would be used, but who knows, maybe the imaginary GI lost his carbine in the confusion of the breakthrough, or had picked one up off a dead Tommy somewhere along the line, appropriation of non-standard weaponry would have been an issue at unit level surely?indieflmkr said:I'm assuming he's referring to the fact that the G.I. in the shot is using a British Enfield .303 rifle, rather than an American issue one.
dr greg said:Having fired one myself many times I did think it unusual that it would be used, but who knows, maybe the imaginary GI lost his carbine in the confusion of the breakthrough, or had picked one up off a dead Tommy somewhere along the line, appropriation of non-standard weaponry would have been an issue at unit level surely?
thecardigankid said:Why? Believe it or not, there were M1 Carbines with bayonet lugs in 1945, I have a friend and I'll try and get him to scan a photo of it so I can post it, that has a picture dated March of 1945 and 2 of the gentlemen in the photo are carrying m1 carbines with bayonet lugs.
There were very few Carbines with bayonet lugs out there being used on the front lines towards the end of ww2 but they did make it.
indieflmkr said:Good to hear from you!
No, Sadly that was heavily photoshopped DSLR. I don't think I would have trusted myself with my speed graphic out there. Don't want to ruin it. That and I've been having some problems with it lately. I've got a light leak from somewhere. I can't tell if it's coming from the camera or there's something wrong with my film holders.
Hey -- any chance you'll be at FIG this year? I'm FINALLY going to make it out there this time around.
Troy
indieflmkr said:
thecardigankid said:Why? Believe it or not, there were M1 Carbines with bayonet lugs in 1945, I have a friend and I'll try and get him to scan a photo of it so I can post it, that has a picture dated March of 1945 and 2 of the gentlemen in the photo are carrying m1 carbines with bayonet lugs.
There were very few Carbines with bayonet lugs out there being used on the front lines towards the end of ww2 but they did make it.
Amen, it's always someone who's "seen" the photo but can no longer produce it. As for M-1 rifle sights, don't get me started. NO WW2 movies or TV shows made since the 50s have gotten the right sights on the rifles and I'd say less than 25% of re-enactors do, either.jeep44 said:Guys always get touchy about that. Pointing out post-war sights on Garands doesn't win a lot of friends,either.lol
I agree, I'd love to see this ETO photo, as I'm willing to bet any amount that the photo mentioned either was taken after the war or doesn't have the lug at all (or conveniently got "lost somewhere" and now can't be found). This is because no such photos exists of soldiers in the field before the surrender of the Germans in the ETO with a bayonet lug on their carbine. This has gone round and round among historians for years, and some pretty well-informed researchers have given up with such a photo. Just like the M-3A1 grease gun, there is no evidence ever surfaced to suggest bayonet lugs got on carbines used in the ETO before VE day. They did, however, get into the PTO at the extreme end of the war, but even then there is an argument on if they actually saw comabt even there.jeep44 said:I'd like to see your photo. The very earliest photo I've been able to find showing a carbine bayonet lug is from the first wave of invasion troops into Japan,in Sept '45.
p51 said:Amen, it's always someone who's "seen" the photo but can no longer produce it. As for M-1 rifle sights, don't get me started. NO WW2 movies or TV shows made since the 50s have gotten the right sights on the rifles and I'd say less than 25% of re-enactors do, either.
jeep44 said:Guys always get touchy about that. Pointing out post-war sights on Garands doesn't win a lot of friends,either.lol
I'd like to see your photo. The very earliest photo I've been able to find showing a carbine bayonet lug is from the first wave of invasion troops into Japan,in Sept '45.