Hat Corporation of America Block Profile Numbers

[Purplesage]

Thanks Brad. I think the list needs updated with the ones I posted. How would this be distinguished with say a 40s era Dobbs?

 

[Purplesage]

Dobbs Twenty Block 5330, Depth 5 3/4

This one is already on the list. I have a handful of Twenties but this one has about the softest and lightweight felt. I picked it up a couple of years ago for practically nothing so it was money well spent. I suspect it may have had a liner at one time but I don't know for sure. Not sure of the age but I was thinking early 40s. This is the only Dobbs I own with this type of size tag.

 

[Purplesage]

Dobbs Backbow Block 5616, Depth 5 1/2"

Block 5616, Depth 5 1/2 should be new to the list. I can barely make out the Block Number and the Depth is too worn away to read. I measured the Depth at 5 1/2". The hat has a 2" brim with a raw edge, 2 1/8" grosgrain ribbon with back bow. The liner has a cellophane cover. One of my favorite back bows.

 

[Purplesage]

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[Joshbru3]

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WHOA!!!!!!!! Purplesage, GREAT additions to this thread. Thanks! That Gamebird is the stuff that dreams are made of. That felt is simply spectacular!

 

[Joshbru3]

UPDATED LIST (Effective 01-07-2014, 11:23am Central time)

Profile - Depth
54 - 5 3/4
62 - 6
68 - 4 1/8
82 - 5 3/4
91 - 5 3/4
105 - 5 3/8
151 - 5 1/2
164 - 5 1/2
419 - 5
461 - 5 1/2
511 – 5 1/2
600 - 5 3/8
600 - 5 1/2
600 - 5 3/4
824 - 5 1/2
824 - 5 5/8
925 - 5
1020 - 5 1/4
4605 - 5 3/4
5025 - 5 1/2
5064 - 5 1/2
5064 - 5 5/8
5064 - 5 3/4
5067 - 5 3/8
5181 - 5 3/4
5193 - 5 5/8
5233 - 5 3/4
5233 - 6
5234 - 5 7/8
5251 - 6
5262 - 5 5/8
5288 - 5 3/8
5330 - 5 3/4
5330 - 5 7/8
5339 - 5 7/8
5361 - 5 1/2
5361 - 5 5/8
5361 - 5 3/4
5364 - 5 5/8
5616 - 5 1/2
5725 - 5 5/8
6165 - 4 1/8
8825 - 5 3/8
8825 - 5 1/2

 

[Purplesage]

Dunlap Twenty Custom Edge Block 5361, Dept 5 3/4

This Block Number is already on the list. This is an old hat I've had for sometime, kind of a beater but a fair shade better than when I got it. The main reason I posted it is because the other Dunlap Twenty Custom Edge I posted (Page 11, Post 102 of this thread) had the same number which also had a short brim only with an underwelt where as this one has a 2" overwelted brim. From what Brad said, the other hat was a 50s era Dunlap where the brim had likely been cut down and welted since a "Custom Edge" was supposed to be like a Cavanagh Edge. Now since this is the second Dunlap Custom Edge with a short welted brim I'm thinking that the Custom Edge designation used by Dunlap may not have been a Cavanagh Edge and that the brims on both hats were originally made that way and were not cut down and welted! Of course this is just speculation on my part. This hat is more like a Trilby which would normally have a shorter brim. Not sure of the age of this one. I wasn't able to find a Union Sticker. Let me know what you think Brad.

 

[Purplesage]

Knox Vagabond Block 600, Depth 5 5/8-5 3/4

Block 600 is on the list. I measured the depth a approx 5 5/8 since it is not listed on the manufacturers tag.

 

[alanfgag]

It's Dunlap... should you or someone else try to find it in a search down the road.

 

[Purplesage]

Thank you for pointing that out Alan.

 

[Brad Bowers]

I honestly don't know what to think about the Dunlap Custom Edges. Two physical specimens with welted edges (though one's over and one's under) seem to suggest that a Custom Edge is a welted edge. It doesn't make sense to me that a company would use the same trademark for two different styles of edges, however, so I can't explain it. Another odd thing is that 20 bucks gets you a Knox, Dobbs, or Cavanagh with a felted Cavanagh Edge, but only a welted edge with Dunlap, a mid-tier brand? There aren't too many Dunlap ads to cross reference, but in one from 1940 that I ran across, a Dunlap with a Custom Edge was a felted edge. 1950s may be a different story.

You mentioned looking for a Union label above. Even though the Union was back in the HCA factory by 1946, I have not seen a post-1909 Union label except on 1960s HCA hats. On those, the Union label is printed on the backside of the gold size tag attached to the sweatband, and never anything on the felt.

Brad

 

[Purplesage]

Knox Twenty Homburg Block 5205, Depth 5 5/8

Block 5205, Depth 5 5/8. New to the list.

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[Purplesage]

Dobbs Gay Prince Block 1511, Depth 5 1/4 (as measured)

Dobbs Gay Prince Block 1511, Depth 5 1/4 as measured. This is a newer model Gay Prince with a block number not previously on the list.

 

[Purplesage]

Knox Superfine Block 5288, Depth 5 3/8

Knox Superfine Block 5288, Depth 5 3/8

This is already on the list, just putting a hat with the numbers.

 

[Purplesage]

Dobbs 5th Ave. Block 82, Depth 5 3/4

This is already on the list. Same Block and Depth used on a Dobbs Gamebird and Knox Premier.

http://www.thefedoralounge.com/show...file-Numbers&p=1732033&viewfull=1#post1732033
http://www.thefedoralounge.com/show...file-Numbers&p=1734313&viewfull=1#post1734313

 

[Purplesage]

Knox Fifteen Custom Edge Block 82, Depth 5 3/4

Early 50s Knox Fifteen Custom Edge with O.P.S. Tag. Block 82, Depth 5 3/4 surfaces again.

 

[Purplesage]

Here are a few others I came across from an old posts that can be added to the list.

Block 28, 5 3/4
http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?18579-The-Dobbs-Diner&p=320384&viewfull=1#post320384
[B]Block 417, Depth 5[/B] Dobbs Derby
http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?18579-The-Dobbs-Diner&p=891117&viewfull=1#post891117
Block 302, 4 Dobbs Two-Timer
http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?18579-The-Dobbs-Diner&p=1023083&viewfull=1#post1023083
Block 1635, no Depth listed (Newer hat).
http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?18579-The-Dobbs-Diner&p=889160&viewfull=1#post889160
Block 422, Depth difficult to read, it's at least 5, Dobbs Derby
http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?18579-The-Dobbs-Diner&p=1026475&viewfull=1#post1026475
Block 543, no Depth listed (Newer hat) Dobbs Royal Coachman
http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?18579-The-Dobbs-Diner&p=1193426&viewfull=1#post1193426

 

[Purplesage]

Knox Superfine Foxhound Block 82, Depth 5 3/4

Yet another example of Block 82, Depth 5 3/4. This Block and Depth must have been pretty popular!

 

[Purplesage]

Crofut & Knapp "Aristo Supreme" Fedora Block 187, Depth 5 1/4

New one to add to the list Block 187, Depth as measured approx 5 1/4

 

[Joshbru3]

UPDATED LIST (Effective 02-27-2014, 3:15pm Central time)

Profile - Depth
28 - 5 3/4
54 - 5 3/4
62 - 6
68 - 4 1/8
82 - 5 3/4
91 - 5 3/4
105 - 5 3/8
151 - 5 1/2
164 - 5 1/2
302 - 4
417 - 5
419 - 5
461 - 5 1/2
511 – 5 1/2
600 - 5 3/8
600 - 5 1/2
600 - 5 3/4
824 - 5 1/2
824 - 5 5/8
925 - 5
1020 - 5 1/4
4605 - 5 3/4
5025 - 5 1/2
5064 - 5 1/2
5064 - 5 5/8
5064 - 5 3/4
5067 - 5 3/8
5181 - 5 3/4
5193 - 5 5/8
5205 - 5 5/8
5233 - 5 3/4
5233 - 6
5234 - 5 7/8
5251 - 6
5262 - 5 5/8
5288 - 5 3/8
5330 - 5 3/4
5330 - 5 7/8
5339 - 5 7/8
5361 - 5 1/2
5361 - 5 5/8
5361 - 5 3/4
5364 - 5 5/8
5616 - 5 1/2
5725 - 5 5/8
6165 - 4 1/8
8825 - 5 3/8
8825 - 5 1/2