UK anti-vintage rules (well, kinda)

[Jovan]

I'm inclined to agree with the ladies here.

 

[Samsa]

So, women's dress in Islam has nothing to do with shielding them from the eyes of men not their relatives? Please, I'd like to understand. I'm not being sarcastic; I had heard / read that this is a partial reason for burkas, hajibs, etc.

From my limited knowledge of Islam, this view (women's covering for the sake of the men not being tempted by lust) is not intrinsic to Islam, but rather to separate schools/ideologies. I want to say that it's particularly strong among the Wahhabi folk, but I could be wrong.

 

[Miss_Bella_Hell]

It's sexism. "We'll make a rule, because we know what's best. If they're choosing to wear fishnets, it's because their pretty little heads don't know that the men are trying to work."

 

[carebear]

From my limited knowledge of Islam, this view (women's covering for the sake of the men not being tempted by lust) is not intrinsic to Islam, but rather to separate schools/ideologies. I want to say that it's particularly strong among the Wahhabi folk, but I could be wrong.

This is correct. Modesty in dress is required, as it is in Judaism and Christianity, but the burqua is not specified.

Much of the truly misogynistic stuff you see is traditional tribal practice from the millennia prior to Islam. The animists in Africa practice female mutilation and poorer women in India are still expected to immolate themselves. It's tribal, not exclusively religious.

That's the basis of the cultural conflict we find ourselves in. Islam just happens to cover a lot of regions still stuck at a cultural tribal level.

But, as this article shows, even us "enlightened" Westerners still have some issues to deal with.

Still, the consequences for violation are a lot more palatable in London than they are in, say, Saudi.

 

[carebear]

The simple solution would seem to be to keep the lawyers away from the typing pool.












That's so wrong.

 

[Miss Crisplock]

Ah, that fashion item - The Burka. Never has so much fabric said so little. Handcuffs and shackles would add so much to that outfit I feel. And it would keep those London lawyers at bay.

......Off for my Burkini fitting,

 

[BellyTank]

So, women's dress in Islam has nothing to do with shielding them from the eyes of men not their relatives? Please, I'd like to understand. I'm not being sarcastic; I had heard / read that this is a partial reason for burkas, hajibs, etc.

Hmmm. Aren't women in Afghanistan covered head to toe in sacks so as to not tempt the men?

I know that they don't wear sacks.
At least not usually while they're living.


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[jayem]

Hmmm. Aren't women in Afghanistan covered head to toe in sacks so as to not tempt the men? If I were a female at that firm, I'd sue. To list the reason as "to not distract the men" is misogyny, pure and simple.

I somewhat second this. Listing it as a simple means of unprofessional dress-code would be better than the poor excuse of 'distracting'.
Personally, I'd be a little uneasy if my lawyer decided to represent me while sporting a pair of fishnets.

 

[Salv]

The simple solution would seem to be to keep the lawyers away from the typing pool.

Yep, you'd think those male typists would know better than to be distracted by female lawyers in fishnets...

 

[Nick D]

I find the investment banker's statement at the end reprehensible.

 

[CassD]

I do agree that fishnets have a rather unprofessional look about them because, although they're not really linked to prostitution in my mind, they are linked to party attire. It's what you wear when you're going out on the town and want to be a bit daring or a bit more sexy. Wearing them to work is unprofessional. However, I also agree with the folks who have said that using this idea that they "distract the male lawyers" as a reason for banning is just flat out sexist. It insults both sides, in my opinion. It places the responsibility to appear totally unattractive to men on the woman and blames them for a man's roving eye and it assumes that all men only think with a certain part of their body. I would like to think that most of the men I have met have the ability to focus on other things than a woman's legs when it's necessary and important to do so.

 

[Harley Quinn]

Well, lets just PROVE men are weak and silly creatures... God's wound's but I'm glad I'm not in that sort of work any more...

 

[Johnny B]

It's the Daily Mail- I doubt it's true at all. They make these up to fill space, like the "guy" who "lost" his engagement ring when it "floated away" in a balloon.

 

[Harley Quinn]

I didn't realise it was the Hate... sort of the UK version of Die Sturm... nothing Reichstagfuhrer Brown won't be able to sort... once they stop leting those filthy foreigners in...

 

[Jovan]

CassD: It's funny you say that, because back in the '60s it was unthinkable to have women running around with their legs exposed in a professional environment, perhaps partly BECAUSE the men would be distracted. Star Trek was interesting in this respect, because not only were most of the women wear fashionable (at the time) minidress uniforms, the men didn't really notice their legs -- they saw the women as their equals and were always professional. Poor Yeoman Rand had to ASK Kirk to look at her legs when they all had a disease because he wouldn't notice them any other way. "I always tried to get you to look at my legs..." Has that already happened? Heck yes. You don't even bat an eye at women in short skirts nowadays. [huh]

Anyways, if all men got distracted by fishnets, isn't this a good thing in court? lol

 

[Harp]

The simple solution would seem to be to keep the lawyers away from the typing pool.

Lawyers are gentlemen.....

 

[Fleur De Guerre]

How ridiculous. All that shows is how detached from reality these big cheeses have got. I work in a very heavily lawyer and banker populated part of London and see well-dressed women in fishnets all the time. They only carry a negative connotation for a very small and old-fashioned minority. The same, no doubt male, people probably think women still shouldn't *be* lawyers.

 

[dani]

well to say that the fishnets are distracting the men, is a stupid excuse, because you can be just as easily distracted by a woman how is dressed in a "boring" suit that has a beautiful face, and you wouldn't tell a lady not to look beautiful because she is distracting her male co-workers. as for the islam thing, i think it's different for different people, a boy i used to work with is islamic, and his mother didn't wear a "sack" she only covered her hair.

 

[carebear]

Ah, that fashion item - The Burka. Never has so much fabric said so little. Handcuffs and shackles would add so much to that outfit I feel. And it would keep those London lawyers at bay.

......Off for my Burkini fitting,

You don't need handcuffs and shackles.

Just one shackle, to attach the chain.

You know, the chain anchored to the stove.

 

[Jovan]

How ridiculous. All that shows is how detached from reality these big cheeses have got. I work in a very heavily lawyer and banker populated part of London and see well-dressed women in fishnets all the time. They only carry a negative connotation for a very small and old-fashioned minority. The same, no doubt male, people probably think women still shouldn't *be* lawyers.

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