Can a HH jacket still be good quality, even if the HH isn't Shinki?

[cbez]

Having some humor on the new in town guy question it's cool now but 10 years ago most of you dropped top dollar on Shinki and was the best leather, how was the agenda? lost worlds leather to plasticky, never breaking, never showing any character, cxl to waxy to stiff in the cold, badalassi to noisy, to non horsehide.. victory bill kelso to rare, to long to wait for it, don't like the company. Italian horse from schott to mall looking, to shinny. Vanson competion- it's not from 2000 era, burned down tannery, probably not good anymore and the list goes on..

Well for one op is obviously just messing around.

Two people overcomplicate everything. get aniline if you like the look, get an acrylic pigment if you want to wear it in the rain for some reason. avoid tornados.

For some reason I'm reminded of people religiously slathering obenaufs on the boots they wore to their office jobs

 

[Davidc5]

Thinking of trying to get a treatment done to give myself that shinki look and feel

 

[Biff42]

Having some humor on the new in town guy question it's cool now but 10 years ago most of you dropped top dollar on Shinki and was the best leather, how was the agenda? lost worlds leather to plasticky, never breaking, never showing any character, cxl to waxy to stiff in the cold, badalassi to noisy, to non horsehide.. victory bill kelso to rare, to long to wait for it, don't like the company. Italian horse from schott to mall looking, to shinny. Vanson competion- it's not from 2000 era, burned down tannery, probably not good anymore and the list goes on..

Great points.

That said, the forum was 100% correct in its criticism of Schott's felt-backed horsehide leather. What the hell was even that?

 

[Margi92i]

Great points.

That said, the forum was 100% correct in its criticism of Schott's felt-backed horsehide leather. What the hell was even that?

This backing is often used for upholstery, crafts, and accessories like bags, giving the material a better handle and preventing it from stretching or tearing easily. It can be found on both Italian leather and various types of faux leather fabrics.

I don't quite know their decision of that time but this is an AI generated response for the backing leather.

 

[Biff42]

This backing is often used for upholstery, crafts, and accessories like bags, giving the material a better handle and preventing it from stretching or tearing easily. It can be found on both Italian leather and various types of faux leather fabrics.

Okay, but I personally don't want it on a jacket. Actually, I owned one of these Schotts (branded under Legendary), and I couldn't sell it fast enough.

 

[El Marro]

Having some humor on the new in town guy question it's cool now but 10 years ago most of you dropped top dollar on Shinki and was the best leather, how was the agenda?

I don’t think that is a very accurate statement. As popular as Shinki was for a time. I don’t think a high percentage of members here actually ever purchased Shinki jackets, nothing like CXL during the heyday of Aero.
I have dropped top dollar on Shinki jackets over the last ten years, six of them in total. I will say I am still quite taken with the leather, those jackets are among the nicest that I own, and I own a a lot of leather jackets.
It is very true that times and attitudes change, and I enjoyed your synopsis of the conventional wisdom around here as time has passed…

 

[Highwayman64]

Well ****, I guess I’m going to have to destroy my 618hh once it comes in the mail this week.

Where does Schott source their Hh?

 

[Biff42]

Well ****, I guess I’m going to have to destroy my 618hh once it comes in the mail this week.

Where does Schott source their Hh?

The Schott felt HH I referred to in an earlier comment is long gone. Their new stuff is really nice IMO.

 

[Highwayman64]

The Schott felt HH I referred to in an earlier comment is long gone. Their new stuff is really nice IMO.

I was being somewhat facetious but I’m glad to know their HH is really nice. It’s my first leather jacket and I really wanted an HH perfecto

 

[Aloysius]

So did the U.S. government when it decided that what was foolish was putting soldiers into the trenches of WWI in vegetable-tanned leather. Those items literally rotted off those soldiers' bodies.

That's why when WWII rolled around, the Army ordered that all A-2s be made from chrome-tanned leather. (Maybe they ordered all leather items be chrome-tanned, I only know about A-2s).

I actually agree with a decent amount of what you're saying but I don't think this example is quite right. Yes, chrome-tanned leather was used for the issued leather in WWII but this was the default for garment leather. It's the use of veg tan that would have been unusual and an active choice, because it was used more for durable small goods like holsters and belts..

Great points.

That said, the forum was 100% correct in its criticism of Schott's felt-backed horsehide leather. What the hell was even that?

It's kind of funny that you mention that because once they stopped using the reinforcement due to feedback, there were complaints by people about the feel. It wasn't a cost cutting move, just a technique.

 

[MrProper]

It's not extreme weather alone, it's the variety of the weather. To go from wet to desert in one day, and then up to snow and across to ice and wind - that's a lot for one piece of gear. And then do that over and over and over.

I believe leather is actually a good choice provided it's the right leather.

If leather is no good, I'll return to the old-fashioned wool pea coat, which is what I mostly depend on. It's timeless for weather but useless against missile hazards in a tornado (or just high winds).

To each their own, but under such conditions, I would probably opt for something other than a leather jacket, regardless of the type of leather, even if it means compromising on the coolness factor.

But if I did, I would choose a leather that is suitable for motorcycling.

If I were touring on a motorcycle, I would also be more likely to choose a modern high-tech textile jacket than an old-school leather jacket.

The great thing about today is that there is the right equipment for every purpose ;-)

 

[Tom71]

If you are really looking for the best clothing for extreme weather then leather jackets that were designed and perfected 70 to 100 years ago are not your best choice, but I’m sure you know that.

You are in a silly thread looking for serious answers, that’s a bad place to be.

True and final words to a thread that hasn´t started well and only got worse.

 

[The Lost Cowboy]

To each their own, but under such conditions, I would probably opt for something other than a leather jacket, regardless of the type of leather, even if it means compromising on the coolness factor.

But if I did, I would choose a leather that is suitable for motorcycling.

If I were touring on a motorcycle, I would also be more likely to choose a modern high-tech textile jacket than an old-school leather jacket.

The great thing about today is that there is the right equipment for every purpose ;-)

It's not like we face bad weather or dangerous situations everyday. Mostly it is just rain or snow. But I have faced tornadoes twice out on the road. Once I was at a truck stop so there was at least some protection, but the other time I was completely exposed in the open. If it had come at me, I was supposed to get out of the truck and try to find a ditch to hunker down in. Mind you, it was raining like a heart attack at the same time.

But most days, driving a truck ten hours is just boring. Cool clothes help make it more fun. So I am certainly interested in Shinki leather - it is absolutely gorgeous and fun - but have been hesitant to pull the trigger because I was uncertain if it is price worthy for my needs. I definitely need something hearty.

So my questions on this thread were honest ones. I don't believe there is a dedicated Shinki thread and I didn't realize until too late that the OP was a joke. But I appreciate the good faith answers I did receive here.

I have generally worn jeans and a wool peacoat or a denim trucker, but I am looking to up my game when I finally get back to the job after an extended absence due to illness.

 

[TartuWolf]

@The Lost Cowboy
"The lost cowboy" AKA "The shinki truck driver" as he came to be known later in the story.

 

[The Lost Cowboy]

@The Lost Cowboy
"The lost cowboy" AKA "The shinki truck driver" as he came to be known later in the story.

You mean "the STD"? I think I'd pass on that one.

"Shinki Trucker" might work though.

 

[MrProper]

But most days, driving a truck ten hours is just boring. Cool clothes help make it more fun.

If that isn't a really good reason, what is?

If you fancy Shinki, then treat yourself. I only had one jacket made of Shinki, but it didn't just vanish into thin air when I got caught in heavy rain. But of course, it was much wetter than the CXL afterwards.

However, I have to say that it didn't really spark my interest. Beautiful leather, nice smell, no question about it. But no more beautiful or ugly than my Badalassi, Vicenza, or CXSH jackets. Ultimately, it's just tanned leather and will certainly outlive me, at least.

 

[TartuWolf]

If that isn't a really good reason, what is?

If you fancy Shinki, then treat yourself. I only had one jacket made of Shinki, but it didn't just vanish into thin air when I got caught in heavy rain. But of course, it was much wetter than the CXL afterwards.

However, I have to say that it didn't really spark my interest. Beautiful leather, nice smell, no question about it. But no more beautiful or ugly than my Badalassi, Vicenza, or CXSH jackets. Ultimately, it's just tanned leather and will certainly outlive me, at least.

Unless you get tanned real good yourself somewhere along the way.. Then you might be able to compete with your tanned leather goods as far as longevity goes.
I've handled Shinki a few times as well, I wasn't impressed. There are various other leathers that I have been impressed by over the years, but the Shinki jackets were just OK. Maybe I didn't handle the Shinkiest of the Shinkies - they come in a large variety as we know.