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"Ask the Man Who Owns One"

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Packard was a brand of luxury automobile built by the Packard Motor Car Company of Detroit, Michigan, and later by the Studebaker-Packard Corporation of South Bend, Indiana. The first Packard automobiles were produced in 1899 and the brand went off the market in 1958. Packards were advertised with the slogan "Ask the Man Who Owns One."

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1899–1929

Packard was founded by James Ward Packard, William Doud Packard and his partner, George Lewis Weiss, in the city of Warren, Ohio. James Ward believed that they could build a better horseless carriage than the Winton cars owned by Weiss (an important Winton stockholder), and James Ward, himself a mechanical engineer, had some ideas how to improve on the designs of current automobiles. By 1899, they were building vehicles. The company, which they called the Ohio Automobile Company, quickly introduced a number of innovations in its designs, including the modern steering wheel. While the and Cole 30Colt Runabout were $1500, the high-volume Oldsmobile Runabout went for $650, Western's Gale Model A roadster was $500, and the Black went as low as $375, the Packards concentrated on cars with prices starting at $2,600. Packard automobiles developed a following not only in the United States, but also abroad, with many heads of state owning them.

In need of more capital, the Packard brothers would find it when Henry Bourne Joy, a member of one of Detroit's oldest and wealthiest families, bought a Packard. Impressed by its reliability, he visited the Packards and soon enlisted a group of investors including Russell A. Alger Jr. and also included his brother-in-law, Truman Handy Newberry. On October 2, 1902, Ohio Automobile Company became Packard Motor Car Company, with James as president. Packard moved its automobile operation to Detroit soon after, and Joy became general manager and later chairman of the board. The Packard plant on East Grand Boulevard in Detroit was designed by Albert Kahn, and included the first use of reinforced concrete for industrial construction in Detroit. When opened in 1903, it was considered the most modern automobile manufacturing facility in the world, and its skilled craftsmen practiced over eighty trades. The 3.5 million square foot plant covered over 35 acres and straddled East Grand Boulevard. Kahn also designed The Packard Proving Grounds at Utica, Michigan.

Throughout the 10's and 20's, Packard-built vehicles consistently were among the elite in luxury automobiles. The company was commonly referred to as being one of the "Three P's" of American motordom royalty, along with Pierce-Arrow of Buffalo, New York and Peerless of Cleveland, Ohio. Packard, however, did not just build luxury cars. In 1912, a Packard truck, carrying a three-ton load, drove from New York City to San Francisco between July 8 and August 24. That same year, Packard had Service Depots in 104 cities.

1930–1946

Entering into the 1930s, Packard attempted to beat the stock market crash and subsequent Depression by manufacturing ever more opulent and expensive cars than it had prior to October 1929. The Packard Twin Six, designed by Jesse Vincent, was introduced for 1932 and renamed the Packard Twelve for the remainder of its run. For one year only, 1932, Packard tried fielding an upper-medium-priced car called the Light Eight. As an independent automaker, Packard did not have the luxury of a larger corporate structure absorbing its losses, as Cadillac did with GM and Lincoln with Ford. However, Packard did have a better cash position than other independent luxury marques. Peerless fell under receivership in 1929 and ceased production in 1932; by 1938, Franklin, Marmon, Ruxton, Stearns-Knight, Stutz, Duesenberg, and Pierce-Arrow had all closed.

Packard also had one other advantage that some other luxury automakers did not: a single production line. By maintaining a single line and interchangeability between models, Packard was able to keep its costs down. Packard did not change cars as often as other manufacturers did at the time. Rather than introducing new models annually, Packard began using its own "Series" formula for differentiating its model changeovers in 1923. New model series did not debut on a strictly annual basis, with some series lasting nearly two years, and others lasting as short a time as seven months. In the long run, though, Packard did average approximately one new series per year. By 1930, Packard automobiles were considered part of the Seventh Series. By 1942, Packard was in its Twentieth Series. There never was a Thirteenth Series.

To address the Depression, Packard started producing more affordable cars in the medium-price range. In 1935, it introduced its first sub-$1,000 car, the Packard 120. Car production more than tripled that year and doubled again in 1936. In order to produce the 120, Packard built and equipped an entirely separate factory. By 1936, Packard's labor force was divided nearly evenly between the high-priced "Senior" lines (Twelve, Super Eight, and Eight) and the medium-priced "Junior" models, although more than ten times more Juniors were produced than Seniors. This was because the 120 models were built using thoroughly modern mass production techniques, while the Senior Packards used a great deal more hand labor and traditional craftsmanship. The Junior models were very fine cars; they were just not in the same quality league as the Seniors.

Although Packard most certainly could not have survived the Depression without the highly successful Junior models, the Juniors did have the effect of diminishing the Senior models' stellar and exclusive image among those few who could still afford an expensive luxury car. Adding insult to injury, the 120 models were more modern in basic design than the Senior models. For example, the 1935 Packard 120 featured independent front suspension and hydraulic brakes, both features that would not appear on the Senior Packards until 1937.

1937–1942

Prior to 1937, Packard was still the premier luxury automobile, even though the lion's share of cars being built were the 120 and Super Eight model ranges. Hoping to catch still more of the market, Packard decided to issue the Packard 115C in 1937, which was powered by Packard's first six-cylinder engine since the Fifth Series cars in 1928. While the move to introduce the Six was at once brilliant—the car arrived just in time for the 1938 recession—it also tagged Packards as something less exclusive than they had been in the public's mind, and in the long run, the Six hurt Packard's reputation of building some of America's finest luxury cars. The Six, designated 110 in 1940–41, continued for three years after the war, with many serving as taxicabs.

During World War II, Packard again built airplane engines, licensing the Merlin engine from Rolls-Royce as the V1650, which powered the famous P-51 Mustang fighter, ironically known as the "Cadillac of the Skies" by GIs in WWII. It was one of the fastest piston-powered fighters ever and could fly higher than any of its contemporaries, allowing pilots a greater degree of survivability in combat situations. They also built 1350-, 1400-, and 1500-hp V-12 marine engines for American PT boats (each boat used three) and some of Britain's patrol boats.

1946–1956

By the end of World War II, Packard was in excellent financial condition but suffered from a shortage of raw materials needed to manufacture automobiles again. The firm introduced its first postwar body in 1948, prior to its competition from the major firms (Cadillac, Lincoln, and Chrysler). However, the design chosen was of the "bathtub" style, predicted during the war as the destined future of automobiles. Although the postwar Packards sold well, the ability to distinguish expensive models from lower-priced models disappeared as all Packards became virtually alike. By the time the firm was able to restyle again for 1951, the postwar seller's market was coming to an end and again the design failed to resonate with the public at large. Conceived as the antithesis of the bulbous postwar models, the motoring press derisively named the new design "high pockets."

Packard president James J. Nance was also struggling with what he felt was the only way to re-establish Packard as a luxury car brand, which was to divorce the lower-priced models from the luxury models. To do this, Nance applied the model name Clipper to the least expensive Packards, starting in 1953. Ultimately, Nance planned to spin Clipper off as its own automotive brand, targeting Oldsmobile and Mercury, while a target date of 1956 was set for the new automotive brand.

Nash Motors president George W. Mason approached Packard about a merger for the first time in the late 1940s, believing that the days for independent car manufacturers were numbered. Packard's board of directors, believing Mason to be incorrect, was reluctant to merge. The year 1953 brought the return of the buyer's market, and 1954 was again a down year for Packard; still, Packard's directors delayed. Meanwhile, Mason found a more receptive audience at Hudson, and the two companies merged to form American Motors Corporation on May 1, 1954. This left Packard, whose directors had finally seen the light, seeking a merger partner. After briefly considering joining the merged Kaiser-Willys organization (which was formed solely to take the two struggling firms out of the U.S. auto business in order to concentrate on Jeeps) and seeing no possibilities there, Packard's directors settled on Studebaker.

On October 1, 1954, Packard purchased Studebaker, creating the Studebaker-Packard Corporation. Initially, Packard's executive team had hoped Studebaker's larger network of dealers would help increase sales. Nance believed that Studebaker's volume could sustain the companies; however, Nance and other Packard officials discovered that Studebaker's finances were more dire than previously believed, primarily because no one took the time to actually study them in depth prior to the sale. Packard's up-again and down-again sales continued, with a profitable year in 1955, thanks to the introduction of Packard's first V8 engines that model year—although a complete retooling for the 1955 models resulted in products so poorly made that hundreds of cars had to be repaired by dealers before they could be sold to the public. This set the stage for a disastrous 1956, which saw production drop to its lowest levels since World War I.

1956 saw the launch of Clipper as a stand-alone marque as well as the launch of the Packard Executive, Packard's new mid-level car priced to compete against Chrysler and Buick. The Packard Executive was essentially a Clipper with the senior Packard front clip and interior. However, Packard dealers began to complain that consumers weren't buying Clippers because the cars weren't Packards. At first, Nance refused to rebadge the Clipper as a Packard, but the dealers pushed back. In the end, Nance begrudgingly agreed to start badging the Clippers with the "Packard" script.

Packard had been selling engines and transmissions to American Motors for installation in 1955 and '56 Nashes and Hudsons, but a parts dispute with American Motors Chairman George Romney ended this arrangement in April 1956. The last car engineered by Packard rolled off the line at Studebaker-Packard's Connor Avenue plant in Detroit on June 25 1956. The company severely in debt, its creditors ordered the old Packard plants to close on August 15, 1956, and Nance left the company, which then entered into a contractual management agreement with aircraft maker Curtiss-Wright.

1957–1958: "Packardbakers"


In 1957 and 1958, a Studebaker President-based car bearing the Packard Clipper nameplate appeared on the market, but sales were slow. These badge-engineered Studebakers were derisively referred to as Packardbakers by the press and consumers and failed to sell in sufficient numbers to keep the marque afloat. While the 1957 Packard Clipper was less Packard than it was a very good Studebaker, the cars sold in limited numbers, which was attributed to Packard dealers dropping the franchises and consumers fearful of buying a car that could soon be an orphaned make. The 1958 models were launched with no series name, simply as "Packard." These cars were the last gasp of what, thirty years earlier, had been the biggest-selling luxury car marque in the United States.

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ron521

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I can recall seeing a used dark green 1949 Packard on a lot in 1969, with a price tag of $1000 on the windshield.
I wonder where that car is today?
 

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Another Packard man, eh Dave? I'd love to own and drive a 1939 120 sedan. (I'm not setting my sights too high with that one.) All of them are beautiful, well-built cars and I'd be happy with any one of them, regardless of model, body style or vintage.


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MrNewportCustom said:
Another Packard man, eh Dave? I'd love to own and drive a 1939 120 sedan. (I'm not setting my sights too high with that one.) All of them are beautiful, well-built cars and I'd be happy with any one of them, regardless of model, body style or vintage.


Lee
Should I assume you've seen the February issue of "Hemmings Classic Car" already? ;) If you haven't, pick it up without delay, it's an entire issue devoted to Packard!
 

Widebrim

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Dave, I'm surprised nobody else had earlier started a Packard thread. Good going! Well, I'm one of those men who owns one, a '51 Patrician, to be exact. And if you "ask" me, I love the car, but the charging system refuses to do its job.:eusa_doh: Oh, well, it is 59 years old...
 

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Professor said:
I wish it were in my driveway! ;)

My grandfather, a hardware drummer who drove fifty-thousand miles a year, purchased a Packard 120 for his family's trip to the San Fransisco World's Fair in 1939. On the trip he was pulling the travel trailer that he bought in 1934, and had pulled for a hundred thousand miles (behind Fords) without incident.
The crankshaft in the Packard broke when the car had eleven thousand miles on it, stranding the family on the rim of the Grand Canyon. Had the car been a Ford it would have been repaired in a day or two, for parts were easily available, but it took TWO WEEKS for the necessary parts to arrive form Detroit and for them to be installed in the car.

When the family arrived in San Fransisco my Grandfather IMMEDIATELY traded the Packard in on a new Mercury, which gave good service until he traded it in 1941.
 

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Apples & Oranges

vitanola said:
My grandfather, a hardware drummer who drove fifty-thousand miles a year, purchased a Packard 120 for his family's trip to the San Fransisco World's Fair in 1939. On the trip he was pulling the travel trailer that he bought in 1934, and had pulled for a hundred thousand miles (behind Fords) without incident.
The crankshaft in the Packard broke when the car had eleven thousand miles on it, stranding the family on the rim of the Grand Canyon. Had the car been a Ford it would have been repaired in a day or two, for parts were easily available, but it took TWO WEEKS for the necessary parts to arrive form Detroit and for them to be installed in the car.

When the family arrived in San Fransisco my Grandfather IMMEDIATELY traded the Packard in on a new Mercury, which gave good service until he traded it in 1941.
Remember, you're speaking of the One Twenty, Packard's answer to the economy and the reason it stayed afloat when Pierce-Arrow and Peerless disappeared. With the smaller straight eight, you would be talking about a longer crankshaft, more susceptible to breaking under strain, particularly if not geared properly. A Merc on the other hand used that Ford V8 typically with low gearing. Doesn't make the Merc a better product, only better suited for the specific task. If you really want to tow, get a Packard Twelve! ;)
 

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When I was on the hunt the resulted in me buying my Falcon, I came very close to making an offer on a '51 here in town.

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Alas, it disappeared right before my tax refund check arrived.

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vitanola said:
The crankshaft in the Packard broke when the car had eleven thousand miles on it, stranding the family on the rim of the Grand Canyon. Had the car been a Ford it would have been repaired in a day or two, for parts were easily available, but it took TWO WEEKS for the necessary parts to arrive form Detroit and for them to be installed in the car.
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Waiting for parts, specially on new vehicles which didn't have a parts system in place yet, is always difficult. Most companies think of a parts distribution system only as an afterthought. As a child we had a 1966 Chevelle SS with that amazing 396 engine. While in Northern Minnesota we encountered a deer. We ended up spending an extra week at the resort because they couldn't get a radiator for it. It had to be shipped from Detroit. And that was for a Chevy! But, as a kid, I loved an extra week at the lake, and I wish I had that car in my garage now.
 

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Tailor Tom said:
Waiting for parts, specially on new vehicles which didn't have a parts system in place yet, is always difficult. Most companies think of a parts distribution system only as an afterthought.
Very true, part availability and cost of maintenance is an oft overlooked consideration. I've heard a lack of part availability was one downfall of the Kaiser automobile, for example.
 

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It is also helpful to remember that in those days there was no UPS, and no FedEx to overnight parts. A heavy part like a crankshaft would have likely been shipped by rail, which is economical, but slow.
Packards were highly esteemed, but not exactly common, there may not have even been a dealer in the area where the car broke down.
A crankshaft for a Ford would likely have been available locally, simply because the market was saturated with Fords, and the Ford V8 had already been on the market for a number of years.
 

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Professor said:
Should I assume you've seen the February issue of "Hemmings Classic Car" already? ;) If you haven't, pick it up without delay, it's an entire issue devoted to Packard!

Of course I've see the All Packard issue. I've been a charter subscriber to each; Hemming's Classic, Muscle and Sports Car magazines! ;)


Lee
 

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