Can you help me date this item??

[Miss sofia]

Hello ladies, i was wondering if you could please help me date a cape i was recently given with a bag of fur collars as i don't have the first idea. I'm so sorry i don't have any photos, but my Mac is on the blink (again). I'll try as best i can to describe it for you:

It's black astrakhan, unlined, it ties round the neck with two thin ties of astrakhan, it has two large front pockets and the whole of the bottom of the cape is covered with black fringing about six inches in length. There are no labels or fastenings for the cape other than the ties at the top and one large black hook and eye fastening near the top. I also got a selection of artic fox collars and a forties fox tippet in the bag, so i thought perhaps it would be around that kind of era? Thanks, and thank you for all the other info on dating items it's really been invaluable! x

 

[Puzzicato]

Sounds delicious! And late 40s/ early 50s to me.

 

[Miss Sis]

Yep, Annie, the sweater dress is early 50s. It's not a 30s style at all.

 

[Miss sofia]

Sounds delicious! And late 40s/ early 50s to me.

Thanks for the advice Puzzicato! Yes it's beautiful, an elderly guy i used to work with gave me the cape and collars after his wife died, which was really sweet of him, so i couldn't part with it. He said she was the most beautiful woman he had every met, until the day she died. I was practically weeping into the bag when he gave it to me. No pressure on me to keep the torch burning! Thanks again!

 

[Deleted member 12480]

ah thankyou mis sis xxx

 

[Puzzicato]

Thanks for the advice Puzzicato! Yes it's beautiful, an elderly guy i used to work with gave me the cape and collars after his wife died, which was really sweet of him, so i couldn't part with it. He said she was the most beautiful woman he had every met, until the day she died. I was practically weeping into the bag when he gave it to me. No pressure on me to keep the torch burning! Thanks again!

What a lovely story! It makes them so precious.

Other people with more knowledge may be able to advise better, but I have seen a lot of pictures of short astrakhan capes being worn at that time, hence my suggestion.

 

[Miss sofia]

I agree, as i said i would never part with it, i just need to find a really great dress to wear with it now to do it proud! Thanks for the advice again, much appreciated, i'm still finding my feet with dating items so any advice is gratefully received x

 

[lareine]

I was in a little junk store today and picked up this handbag because I thought it was pretty. I've got no idea how old it is, though -- anybody care to hazard a guess? The junk store carries a real mixture of modern, vintage, and antique bits and pieces. For all I know the bag was made in 2006 and the label hasn't aged well lol

I'm sure it's leather, and the label inside reads, "Clarissa, Jack D. Phillips Ltd., Wellington."

It's a lovely bag, regardless of its birthdate. However old it is, I'll carry it with pride.

 

[Miss Sis]

Lareine, I'd say it's 60s.

I'm from Wellington - I wonder if my Mum might remember that brand? She's a Wellingtonian through and through.

 

[Puzzicato]

I googled and they are still in the phone book! Listed with Clarissa as one of the brands they manufacture.

 

[lareine]

Yes, I also googled and saw that the company is still around, although I'm not sure if they manufacture or just import. These days it's most likely the latter [huh]

The "everyday bags" thread here inspired me to upgrade my rather shabby bag collection, so I'm very happy now to have a nice leather handbag to carry around.

 

[Deleted member 12480]

right, is a pill box hat a forties thing?

on ebay.uk most of the hat-results are pill boxes listed as '40s pill box hat' and that kind of thing, but i was always under the impression the pill box hat was a 60s thing?


Confused!
xx

 

[Miss Sis]

Annie, you're right, at the earliest pillbox hats are a late 50s, early 60s look. Late 40s (New Look) hats I would not describe as pillboxes, more like Juliet caps.

You can't trust people's descriptions on Ebay. Many don't know what they're talking about and just write any old thing. You have to get to know your subject matter to weed out the wheat from the chaff!

 

[swinggal]

Pillbox hats have been around since medi-evil times. Typically is a small cap with sides that are straight up and down with no brim. It also has a history of being worn in the military. Jackie Kennedy really made it a 60s icon. When I hear 'pillbox hat' I immediately think late 50s, early 60s.

When I think of a generic style of '40's' hat I think of tilt hats, ladies cocked fedoras, juliet caps etc.

Good vintage sellers will get the description right but so many sellers have no idea. I've seen Juliet caps being sold as '20s Cloches'. A cloche hat is so distinctive!! The amount of things that come up listed as 'Art Deco' also and they are so far from it! Really annoying when you spend a lot of time in ebay like myself and many FL ladies do.

Call me a meanie but I will actually email some sellers to tell them their dating of an item is incorrect. Shoes especially are dated wrong all the time. I think many sellers are just trying to cash in on people who don't have the knowledge we do about vintage items, making things seem older than they are to make it seem more valuable. I don't like seeing people who may not know getting ripped off. 60's shoes are constantly listed as 40s. Arrrg!

 

[Deleted member 12480]

Ah, thankyou for the confirmation!

What about these?

xxx

 

[Marla]

Annie, if you'd like to learn more about vintage shoe styles, take a look at this website: http://www.return2style.de/amishoef.htm

 

[Puzzicato]

A while back I decided that I was desperate for an enamel belt-buckle. I bought this one:

- now the seller said it was Art Deco. Which it clearly is not. I think it looks like 1970s does Art Nouveau. Any thoughts from anyone?

And part B, how the heck do you use it as a belt buckle!?

 

[crwritt]

A while back I decided that I was desperate for an enamel belt-buckle. I bought this one:

- now the seller said it was Art Deco. Which it clearly is not. I think it looks like 1970s does Art Nouveau. Any thoughts from anyone?

And part B, how the heck do you use it as a belt buckle!?

It does look like 70's or 80's to me, but it is pretty. To use it as a buckle, it looks like you could use it to decorate the front of a belt, slip the belt through it and then buckle the belt at your back.

 

[Drappa]

Velvet hat

Ok, I feel like a numpty, but just wanted to double check what you guys and gals think of the date for this hat:

 

[Smuterella]

I might be totally wrong but it looks 50's to me. Its beautiful!

do you have any other pictures?