Do You Wear a Sam Browne / Duty Belt with Your Motorcycle Jacket?

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  1. Carlos840

    Carlos840 Call Me a Cab

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    It seems you and @Fifty150 and using "duty belt" and "Sam Brown belt" as if they were the same thing, they are not...

    This is a "sam Browne" belt, the "Sam Browne" refers to the extra strap that goes across the chest, IMO there is no way to wear this that isn't weird (unless part of a real uniform), loops or not. Everytime i have seen a chest cross strap worn above a leather jacket it was linked to BLUF.

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  2. Edward

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    I think we've had a few folks over the years pass through here who were at least on the fringes of the BLUF scene - which is fine, TFL doesn't judge! IT's not my bag, but I can see the psychology: I think for a lot of folks involved in that world it's not only about power dynamics alone, but also about the fact that it presents an image of strong, masculine archetypes. Both the Village People and Tom of Finland explored this in different ways. Not all that different, really, from the way police, soldieres or especially firemen are sold as 'sexy archetypes' to heterosexual women.

    I have a feeling that - as you identify in your later post - we're talking a bit at cross-purposes. When I read Sam Browne, I think of the full belt and shoulder strap too. The shoulder strap was the key element of what made a Sam Browne belt: the eponymous Browne - with an 'e', though this seems often to be dropped by this point in time - was a General in the British army in India who had lost his left arm, and as a result wasn't able to raw his sword with his right hand while using the left to steady the belt / scabbard and make it easier. It was also quickly discovered that the shoulder strap also prevented the scabbard or holster from jostling about when charging into battle. A less commonly seen version had two shoulder straps, worn vertically, instead of one diagonal. Presumably the latter dominated because of reduced cost. They have been widely worn across various military and paramilitary groups across the world since, including both sides in WW2. THey were even popular with the un-uniformed IRA during the Irish War of Independence, then worn by both sides during the brutal Civil War that followed - on the uniforms of the Free State Army, and over the civvies of the anti-Treaty forces.

    From what I see here, it appears that our American cousins refer to the belt itself as a Sam Browne, with or without the shoulder strap. The holes on the modern version to allow for the attachment of other equipment in different configurations and so on does seem to make them very distinctive, though like yourself I tend to think automatically of the shoulder strap as an integral part of the design.

    I picked one up on eBay awhile back, in (if memory serves) the Chicago style. Very nice indeed; I'd be tempted by another in that longer, button up DB NYPD style.

    Yip, it's a fascinating story!


    Ironically, I spent over a decade wearing various corsets, dressed as Dr FRank'n'Furter, and I still don't much like lacing on a bike jacket. :D Totally see the practical purpose, of course.
     
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  3. SinSir

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    I couldn't agree more that with strap is where it gets into another territory. I'm speaking of the belt only like Cal calls it a sam browne belt. To me its just a belt and part of the jackets intended function and design. I don't feel a cop vibe when I wear it even though its called a lapd. Others may but to me its more throwback or retro feeling.
     
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  4. Edward

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    TBH, I was fascinated to discover some years ago that Cali had aleather jacket for the CHP. As with so many of us of a certain age, I'm sure, most of my awareness of the CHP comes from the old TV shoe CHiPs, in which they never wore anything I can recall other than a short sleeved-shirt, gloves, and that police half-helmet on the top half on their bikes... Looking at it as an adult that looks risky in terms of a spill, but I can see the temptation for an experienced rider in the Californian heat!
     
  5. Fifty150

    Fifty150 Practically Family

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    My jacket does not have any belt keepers attached. That's probably just a fad with the motor officers in this part of the country. This video will show how the gun belt sits at the hip, and not on the jacket.

    On certain assignments, the entire motor unit is expected to wear the safety green reflective jackets. Nobody attaches a gun belt to the Hi-Viz jackets either.


    In case anyone is curious, the reflective jacket is this style.

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  6. Fifty150

    Fifty150 Practically Family

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    It's for comfort. You can't wear a heavy leather jacket in hot weather. Real cops wear body armor. Internal organs are protected.


     
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  7. Edward

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    Still a lot of skin to loseon the face / arms, though! But that's one of the reasons I've beenwary of visiting CA thus far - I couldn't cope with the weather. ;)
     
  8. El Marro

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    Now that is not a sentiment I’ve heard before! Most people seem to really like our weather out here.
     
  9. Fifty150

    Fifty150 Practically Family

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    Opinions vary.

    The obvious solution is don't go anywhere where you are not comfortable. Bernie Sanders, no relation to The Colonel, went to Russia on his honeymoon. I have chosen not to visit Antarctica. Plenty of people, at the moment, are not going to China. Young girls at the bar don't go home with me.
     
  10. navetsea

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    totally agree I don't go to the sea since Jaws
     
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    Fifty150 Practically Family

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    I stopped buying Panda Express since Big Trouble In Little China
     
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    Obvious solution is not to fall off the bike.
     
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  13. Edward

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    I'm Irish; we don't cope well with sun and heat. After twenty-one years living down here in the heat of Southern England I've finally gone shiny-white. I started off a pale blue colour. CA is one3 we'll do eventually, but definitely in what passes for Winter over there. ;) I'd be the same with Florida.

    Ha! I once met a guy who refused to wear safety equipment of any sort on a bike because he insisted it made you morel iikely to have an accident because you were already expecting one to happen.
     
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  14. jonbuilder

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    I rider faster when riding fully gear up. The gear will and has protected against road rash but is less effective against a body collision with an immovable object such as trees & automobiles.
     
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  15. Edward

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    If nothning else, the Dunlop boys and their various fates have given me a very healthy respect for the dangers of speed on two wheels!
     
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    Totally agree,,lots of Walter Mitty’s claim to be fast,,do it on the track & keep everyone safe.
     
  17. Fifty150

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    Just my personal bias. You can be the best motorcycle rider. But you are powerless when it comes down to unskilled drivers, and poor road conditions. Not your fault if the road surface is in poor repair, it's wet, there's oil, and loose gravel. Not your fault when drivers aren't looking. Not your fault when something falls off a truck. Not your fault when a truck tire blows out. It doesn't matter. You are the one who goes down. Go-ahead and argue in court about who is at fault: if you live through the accident.
     
  18. Started riding a MC in 1972 and owned one ever since. Let see...Full face helmet ... Heavy leather jacket with armor, of course...pants with armor, of course...heavy boots...armored gloves, of course. Did I leave anything out? Mouthpiece perhaps ?? Sure sounds so comfortable, wind in your hair freedom and fun. Er no thanks, if I must do all that I'll just take the car for a relaxing drive.....
     
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  19. Fifty150

    Fifty150 Practically Family

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    You learn to minimize your exposure to injury and death. Along the way, you find a comfort point for yourself. I know a few people who only ride on local streets, as they think that freeway speeds are unsafe. I know a few people who won't ride in The City traffic, but think that long trips on an open road are much safer. I've disabled the seat belt warning alerts on my car, so that I can drive without wearing my seat belt.

    Back on topic. The jacket was made with keepers for a gun belt. A gun belt which not everybody attaches to the jacket. The belt is not a functional part of the jacket. The jacket was made to be functional to the belt. Which serves no purpose, if you don't have a gun. The same jackets are worn without the gun belt, and made without the belt keepers. But if you enjoy the way it looks, then it's all that matters. You may was well load the belt with an empty holster, pistol magazine pouches, handcuff case, radio carrier, and a baton ring. Then you'll truly be properly outfitted.
     
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    Right on HD!
     

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