True, and I don't really mind when it comes to pants and jeans! I've taken 36" waist jeans and pants since my teens, (apart from a coupla 'lost' years when I didn't eat properly, drank too much and was down to 30") and it's always been a real bummer trying to find dress pants that actually have a decent amount of room around the waist, to stop that horrid 'spare tyre' effect when suited (hey, I'm 6' 4", I can carry a few extra lbs!)... So now I habitually get size 38" waist, which always gives me room to put a relatively thick shirt & beater on, if it's chilly. With regards to vintage-style khakis, work pants and jeans, I find that having 'em a bit loose and cinching 'em in with a belt gives a nicer look than buying 'em tight around the waist and looking like you're gonna bust out any minute! Having said that, I was more than embarrassed last time we wuz in Memphis and I went to the excellent K&G store to get some wide-leg dress pants, of which they had a HUGE selection. Ended up getting a really, really nice pair of Hollywood-style pants by Sean John (yup, P Diddy), which have reverse pleats, double dropped belt loops, a really high waist and deep cuffs, but they're true-to-size, and I had to buy a pair of 40"s! lol However, with regards to 'vanity sizing' in shirts, tees and sweaters, I agree that it's a pain - there's also 'reverse sizing' in some of the more designery shops, where a large is actually about the size of a regular medium! Guess they're trying to tell you that their wares are really only for spindly, slope-shouldered teens, not blokes with proper man-shaped bods!