Help identify this G-1

Discussion in 'Outerwear' started by pilot error, May 11, 2017.

  1. pilot error

    pilot error One of the Regulars

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    Ok... these are not my pictures, looks early to me. Knits replaced, Talon pull looks 50's but could be a replacement. Pockets remind me of W&G, Monarch, etc.[​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]


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  2. Skyhawk

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    Looks like a W&G to me based on the pocket shape and collar shape. The zipper is a replacement. Could be a WWII jacket so it may not be a G1. Any stencil on the back of the collar?
     
  3. pilot error

    pilot error One of the Regulars

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    I only have these pictures....could it be an M422a with that lining?
     
  4. Skyhawk

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    Yes W&G and some others used brown rayon on the WWII M422, ANJ-3A, and AN6552 jackets. They were not all red.
    W&G label.jpg

    Those pocket flaps are more like W&G than Monarch. W&G had very deeply scalloped pocket flaps. More so than others.
    Also that pocket looks like it may have the pencil slot on the left pocket which only the M-422A had. Hard to tell for sure. If that is the case, it would have USN on the back of the collar and a bell shaped Talon puller. The zipper is a replacement. You can see where the stitch line drifts off the original stitch line a bit near the top

    Check out the unique shape of the W&G pocket flap. It nearly forms a letter "M" with it's shape. It is my favorite out of the WWII flight jacket pocket flaps:
    W&G Flap.JPG

    Best of luck!
    - Jay
     
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  5. Marv

    Marv A-List Customer

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    That pocket photo looks exactly like my ELC 55J14 G1 (based on the L W Foster) from around 2006.
     
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  6. Marv

    Marv A-List Customer

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    In fact that IS a photo of the pocket of my ELC 55J14 G1 as I have just found the picture so not a W&G pocket flap I'm afraid, sorry.
     
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  7. Eastwood

    Eastwood New in Town

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    On these photos it is difficult to see.
    Because the thread on the pocket are slightly visible, and the very similar profile of the pocket flaps -
    - if lining the original , then this L.W.F55J14 ..may be
    - but if the lining was changed then it's more like GF422A because narrow line of pocket flaps ..may be
    Realy it can be anything ;)o_O
     
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  8. Skyhawk

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    No. The LW 55J14 flaps were not as deep on the shape. See below. There was some variance also from jacket to jacket so it can be hard to say for sure. But this is what I am referring to:
    Original LW 55J14 pocket: Original WG M422 Flap:
    LW-flap.jpg W&G Flap2.JPG

    A definite 100% ID is probably not possible, but we can certainly narrow it down. I don't agree that it could be "anything".
     
  9. Eastwood

    Eastwood New in Town

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    The corners of the pocket flaps of the original Willis Geiger are very rounded. On the photo of the jacket corners of the pocket flaps are pointed.
    Secondly, it seems to me one pocket is more than other, and can see the seam of the thread.
     
  10. nick123

    nick123 I'll Lock Up

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    Is there vertucal stitching on the OP left pocket? Looks sort of like it. Can't tell from pics.
     
  11. Eastwood

    Eastwood New in Town

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    I think there is ..o_O and more like GF422A only very modified
     
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  12. Marv

    Marv A-List Customer

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    here's the G1 the pocket is from

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  13. Eastwood

    Eastwood New in Town

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    not original
     
  14. Marv

    Marv A-List Customer

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    of course it isn't, as mentioned earlier it is my ELC 55J14 G1 from 2006.
     
  15. Skyhawk

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    LW1.jpg
    Yes and here's an original. As you can see the flaps are much more angular than on that repro. The pockets on that repro look much more like a W&G. More rounded and curved like an "M".
    The pockets on the jacket in question in the OP are more like a W&G than this original LW Foster IMO. If we could see the back of the collar and the type of stencil and paint color, it would help to ID it as well.
    Gordon & Ferguson is not likely. The pocket flaps are completely different:
    G&F M422.jpg
     
  16. Sobrien

    Sobrien New in Town

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    It looks a lot like my Star Sportswear 55J14 from the late 40's.
     
  17. pilot error

    pilot error One of the Regulars

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    OK......I bought it. When it arrives I'll take better pictures and we'll see what's what. Along with a Bogen & Tenenbaum AN 6552 !
     
  18. pilot error

    pilot error One of the Regulars

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    Ok.....Here are my somewhat better iPhone pics. Everything has been replaced save for the collar (which needs it). Decent job of reclining . Collar stencil is long gone. Shell and hide are nearly perfect. Sections look virtually new! A 75 year old leather jacket? IMO... this is a G & F M422a in a BIG 44 or a 46[​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]


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  19. Eastwood

    Eastwood New in Town

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    Well.. I was right, but you all argued ..;)
     
  20. Eastwood

    Eastwood New in Town

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    Well, where to brag further? I see GF422A - OK :) And where BT AN 6552? How much did pay? It is interesting!:) We try, argue, advise ;)
     
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