I heard the rumor that M&F Western Supply carried the 2 and 3 ply ribbon. After several calls to them I was informed that I could only buy it if I had a vendor account. They referred me to my local M&F vendor, Elliot's Shoes and Boots and was told they could order it for me. I then made several calls to several different Elliot's stores and was told by several different salespersons/managers that they couldn't order the ribbon for me. I originally thought that every western hat maker/supplier in the country would have this ribbon in stock and available to purchase. I was wrong. It rankles me to give up on finding the things I need, but I'm pretty close at this point.